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  • Team Lucas
    Senior Member
    • May 2016
    • 300

    #1291
    Originally posted by baller69
    actually i do plan to build it.still at the hydro dippers thats 3 hours away and he just put on the 5th and last coat of clear so hopefully it will be dropped off today and yes i will then start building it to answer your question in a nice happy and mature way but it wont be in no week.i am a engineer and i plan to do the best planning and placement of everything and part i can on this boat so more like it will be done in 3-4 weeks but it wiil be started as soon as i do get it back in my posession.have a nice day!:Peace_Sign
    Engineer...that finally explains it, I'm a contractor, ran up on a lot of "engineers"... think they know it all and won't listen to reason.
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    • Team Lucas
      Senior Member
      • May 2016
      • 300

      #1292
      Originally posted by REDLINE1
      Wow, so the water will still get in there even with it sanded flat? I would have never guessed that . I would think it needed something sticking down to direct it in the pick up tube especially since its epoxied in there perpendicular to the bottom of the hull pad. Thanks to all that responded, No scoop for me. Just an idea I thought I'd throw in the mix. I'm a beginner at this so I'm still learning.
      open the stock inlets with a hobby knife, get the paint out, works fine for me, I am running in 90 degree water and temps are under 130
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      • Team Lucas
        Senior Member
        • May 2016
        • 300

        #1293
        Originally posted by REDLINE1
        Question for those running the x447 (balanced & sharpened) on the Zelos. Did you drop the timing down one step to 3? Is this prop better suited for short speed runs only or can you use it for speed runs and messing around on the lake. I saw a post on another site where Rafael recommended dropping the timing one step with bigger props
        I detounged a set of X447s and gain speed over using the stocks. temp may of went up 5 degrees
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        • Team Lucas
          Senior Member
          • May 2016
          • 300

          #1294
          ok BALLER 69 take the gloves off. If I was you I would take in what people are saying. I ran cars as well and the torque in a boat is much different. If you were at my pond, I would walk away. The point is, why not come here and say " I'm trying this" not " I'm doing this and setting a record" Most of us that been boating for a long time, think it won't work. so instead of getting offensive, why not ask WHY? we think it wont work. All I'm saying is, if you get it to work, then brag and cut people down that been doing this for a long time. would like to see it do 100+++++ like you CLAME it will do. Accually would like to see it twice, because if you do get it to that point. it would be smoked. anyone can do 1 speed pass and smoke it! So just tone it down and zipp it or prove everyone wrong. Your cutting down everyone, prove there all wrong, I bet you cant.....and that's just my 2c's
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          • kfxguy
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Oct 2013
            • 8746

            #1295
            Originally posted by Team Lucas
            ok BALLER 69 take the gloves off. If I was you I would take in what people are saying. I ran cars as well and the torque in a boat is much different. If you were at my pond, I would walk away. The point is, why not come here and say " I'm trying this" not " I'm doing this and setting a record" Most of us that been boating for a long time, think it won't work. so instead of getting offensive, why not ask WHY? we think it wont work. All I'm saying is, if you get it to work, then brag and cut people down that been doing this for a long time. would like to see it do 100+++++ like you CLAME it will do. Accually would like to see it twice, because if you do get it to that point. it would be smoked. anyone can do 1 speed pass and smoke it! So just tone it down and zipp it or prove everyone wrong. Your cutting down everyone, prove there all wrong, I bet you cant.....and that's just my 2c's

            Agreed and well put. See this guy has to understand that we aren't dummies and it's not "easy" to put a new setup together and break 100 without lots of trial and error. He doesn't realize that speed in a boat isn't about just throw all the the power and rpm at it you can and think it's going to go fast. It's simply not. It will fly off the water long before it gets even close to 100. I have no doubt in my mind that he will be humbled upon his first 8s attempt with this boat. He definitely picked the wrong wrong hull to attempt 100 with on his first attempt also. Not trying to take anything away from the zelos but the hull isn't strong enough for 100+ speeds. It's an rtr boat. Not a custom built boat that's reinforced for the duty of going that fast. I'll admit, when I first got into this hobby I thought it would be cake to hit 70mph. I had a rude awakening no doubt. It's was definitely a journey. Just a year and a half ago I was still trying to break 100 (with a single motor) with 7s and I even attempted 8s a couple times (which ended in acrobatics) and I could only get to 98. Then I took a couple steps back. Learned a few things. Experimented. Didn't rush things trying to break triple digits and then when I felt I was ready to try I it again it did it on half the voltage with the same boat. It only took me 4s worth of voltage to do it. Power is ALOT less important than the tuning, prop, weight, balance and setup of the boat. There's so many little tweaks I've learned to get to the point I'm at. There's a reason why you don't see many single motor cats in the triple digits, it's because it's not a walk in the park to do it. Doing it in a twin motor cats "should" come a little easier but you have to fight other problems like trying to keep it stable and on the water.


            To baller: I think you offended a few people with your empty claims of blowing everyone away and breaking records and whatnot. The thing is you have no idea what it takes to break a boat record. No idea at all. You don't even know what the rules are. If you were in Q cat you'll have to run 6s max per motor and the record you'd have to beat is over 127mph. If you decided you'd want to run your 8s setup then you'd have to do over 132mph. And I hate to break it to you, a rtr zelos is never going to come close to staying on the water at those speeds. This hull just packs too much air to stay on the water. So I'm not quite sure what record you claim your going to break. Please enlighten me.
            32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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            • Erroneous
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2016
              • 451

              #1296
              Its been a PIA to go 86. Broke the transom at the strut mounts, its metal/epoxy reinforced now. This thing is wide and I agree it packs a ton of lift under the tunnel. Id be blessed to hit 95 and keep it together. Considering lighter batteries (4000mah-ish), airdam and reinforcements galore. It impoldes, cant say I didnt git edumacated.

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              • Erroneous
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2016
                • 451

                #1297
                Been toying with the idea of taking my first hull and blueprinting the ridepads adding maybe 1/8" to change attitude as well. Might as well. This hull likes to imitate the Jesus Christ Lizard and skip on its tail. This winter will be fun for sure.

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                • Team Lucas
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2016
                  • 300

                  #1298
                  Originally posted by Erroneous
                  Been toying with the idea of taking my first hull and blueprinting the ridepads adding maybe 1/8" to change attitude as well. Might as well. This hull likes to imitate the Jesus Christ Lizard and skip on its tail. This winter will be fun for sure.
                  that is interesting: long time back to nitro days :) I had to add 1/8th to my tunnel hull's back pads. Like to hear if you end up trying it. And for what its worth, I changed my prop rotation to outward, and either I was lucky the 1 time I tried it, or it helped keep it from bouncing. going to try to get out tomorrow and beat my 68 record on stock.
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                  • Team Lucas
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2016
                    • 300

                    #1299
                    KFXGUY: I agree with the zelos having "too much air to stay on the water" and if it does that high speed, I think things will be cracking, hopefully baller read all the post here about Hull cracking. Maybe before it got dipped he reinforced those points that people pointed out. Proboat made a great rtr boat, you can keep up with about anything on your local pond. If you want a "record breaker", don't pick a rtr boat hull.
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                    • gman350
                      Member
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 31

                      #1300
                      Originally posted by Erroneous
                      Broke the transom at the strut mounts, its metal/epoxy reinforced now.
                      Do you have any pics of this?

                      I'm wondering if I could do something to prevent this from happening to mine.

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                      • Erroneous
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 451

                        #1301
                        Originally posted by gman350
                        Do you have any pics of this?

                        I'm wondering if I could do something to prevent this from happening to mine.
                        Its in this thread. Id say about 9-10 pages back.

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                        • Erroneous
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 451

                          #1302
                          Originally posted by Team Lucas
                          Engineer...that finally explains it, I'm a contractor, ran up on a lot of "engineers"... think they know it all and won't listen to reason.
                          AGREED. Commercial Construction Superintendant here. Doesn't matter if they are electrical engineers HVAC or structural. Facts allways get twisted and have to be changed and slip-sheeted all the time.

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                          • Team Lucas
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2016
                            • 300

                            #1303
                            Have a question. I am running 4x 3s batteries, (two to each esc) can I just run 2x 6s batteries instead, ( one battery per esc) and do away with the wire harness.
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                            • Erroneous
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 451

                              #1304
                              Originally posted by Team Lucas
                              Have a question. I am running 4x 3s batteries, (two to each esc) can I just run 2x 6s batteries instead, ( one battery per esc) and do away with the wire harness.
                              Yep you can. But my opinion, you have more CG tuning with 4 packs due to the size of 6s packs and there only being 2. With 4 you can slide two packs back 1/2" vs 2 packs 1/4". Not only that but 4 will have a wider footprint and lower.

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                              • Team Lucas
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2016
                                • 300

                                #1305
                                Originally posted by Erroneous
                                Yep you can. But my opinion, you have more CG tuning with 4 packs due to the size of 6s packs and there only being 2. With 4 you can slide two packs back 1/2" vs 2 packs 1/4". Not only that but 4 will have a wider footprint and lower.
                                my thinking was, with going to just 2x6s I lose weight. 4x 3s weighs 51.6 oz, and 2x 6s weighs 42.8 oz and I will have shorter wires, since I'm not using the harness . longer the wires the hotter they get and loose power. just my thinking on it.
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