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  • Crazykev
    Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 44

    #1351
    Another thing that I'm going to give a try once the OSE twin cables are back in stock is to send them out to be Titanium Nitride coated. I'm waiting to hear back from the company to see if their ALPHA coating would be a better choice? It's only going to cost around $20 to have it done and will make those cables ultra slick, hard and last at least 10X longer than non-coated steel. The ALPHA coating has a lubricating property and lasts 4X longer than the TiN coating! Really interested in seeing if it makes a difference. The company does coating for medical tools and CNC tooling. Having them do the nuts and drive coated for that TiN gold look.

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    • Yellow
      Member
      • Jan 2016
      • 81

      #1352
      Titanium Nitride is a harness coating. I don't believe that it will make cables slicker. If its applied to a cable, I wonder if the cable will be stiffer also, making it harder to flex within the stuffing tube creating more drag? For $20 what the heck.

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      • srislash
        Not there yet
        • Mar 2011
        • 7673

        #1353
        Originally posted by Yellow
        Titanium Nitride is a harness coating. I don't believe that it will make cables slicker. If its applied to a cable, I wonder if the cable will be stiffer also, making it harder to flex within the stuffing tube creating more drag? For $20 what the heck.
        $20 plus the price of the cables. You want the cables as flexible as possible that way it makes the bend easier(more efficiently). It does make a difference.

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        • Keagan-Z06
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2016
          • 970

          #1354
          This thread has come a long way, never heard of wire drives.
          Proboat Voracity-E 36" , Proboat Zelos 36 Twin , Proboat Miss Geico 29" , Traxxas Spartan, Fightercat Daytona, Zonda

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          • srislash
            Not there yet
            • Mar 2011
            • 7673

            #1355
            Originally posted by Keagan-Z06
            This thread has come a long way, never heard of wire drives.
            These are pretty much the ultimate. But bends are tuff and much care is needed. They need to be kept clean and free from corrosion. Any corrosion 'bite' in one will cause a weak spot and failure.

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            • Team Lucas
              Senior Member
              • May 2016
              • 300

              #1356
              Originally posted by Keagan-Z06
              This thread has come a long way, never heard of wire drives.
              These are different from what I saw at my pond. He had wire drives in a boat he built, but also came with the stuffing tube with bearings in it, no Teflon. I am awaiting my wire drives. See what these puppies can / or / cant do :)
              I think these will wear the crap out of my Teflon, or if I run it bare, wear my brass tube, or shaft will become thin at the rub point. These wire drives come a couple inches too long from what I'm told, is there a way to relocate the motors further towards the bow and maybe make brass tubes straighter? That would be the ticket lol
              Zelos 36 stock 68 mph

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              • REDLINE1
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2016
                • 199

                #1357
                Originally posted by Crazykev
                Made a couple changes to my twin. I got rid of the water hose loops at the ESCs by running the pickups from one side through both ESCs and to the motor on the opposite side. Straighter route with less hose, no chances of a kink, cleaner install and both pickups would have to clog up to overheat the ESCs because each pickup now goes through both off them.



                Also added a sealed Castle BEC pushing 7.8V to the Savox 1270TG servo to get a .10 transit and 500 oz. torque. Filled the whole BEC with silicone and tested it submerged in water before installing it.



                Ported the water pickups too.



                Eventually I'm going to replace the 1270TG with an Xpert 6000 Series IP67 waterproof brushless servo. The 1270 is water resistant, but not IP67 waterproof and I don't like the buzz the Savox servos create trying to hold center. Torque will drop to 361 oz./.11 transit and that's fine being that the 500 oz. is way overkill.

                I like the straight Thru coolant lines w/out the loops. But I question why they didn't route them this way stock. Is there a reason they put the loops in? Maybe somebody in th know will chime in

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                • Team Lucas
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2016
                  • 300

                  #1358
                  Originally posted by REDLINE1
                  I like the straight Thru coolant lines w/out the loops. But I question why they didn't route them this way stock. Is there a reason they put the loops in? Maybe somebody in th know will chime in
                  Designer has posted on this. The thing is, if it passes thro a heated area too fast, it would not absorb the heat from it. I do have mine straight through the ESC's but I suggest checking temps on motors and esc'c to see whats running hotter and rerought cooling line to the hottest 1st, from the pickup
                  Zelos 36 stock 68 mph

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                  • Team Lucas
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2016
                    • 300

                    #1359
                    I do have to add that going from 1 esc to the other does add strength to them both, knowing there only held in by 2 mounts, 1 good flip and they can crack and or break. Trust me :) Add a ziptie to ALL hoses. Tightening shafts down in that tight area can easily loosen a water line. Trust me :)
                    Zelos 36 stock 68 mph

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                    • kfxguy
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 8746

                      #1360
                      Originally posted by Crazykev
                      I would rock it if it was brushless. The Savox was a servo I had laying around and knew it was water resistant, so I threw it is the boat because it's still leaps and bounds better than the stock servo. I'm in the process of swapping all my RCs with brushless servos which is why I had the 1270 laying around. I've read some really good reviews on the Xpert waterproof servos and figured I'd give it a go. That 1270 has lasted a long time, but can't stand the humming and it has gotten a little sloppy. It's also an amp hog! The Xpert is only another $20 more at $99 and it has the IP67 rating, is brushless, and low amp draw which I feel is worth the extra cash.
                      It's probably a good one too just never tried one. Another plus for me with the spektrum is the awesome customer service. I haven't had a problem with a servo but I did once with a receiver and they sent me one with no hassles. Some places you can't even get a person on the phone to help help you (Savox).
                      32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                      • REDLINE1
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 199

                        #1361
                        [QUOTE=Team Lucas;674706]These are different from what I saw at my pond. He had wire drives in a boat he built, but also came with the stuffing tube with bearings in it, no Teflon. I am awaiting my wire drives. See what these puppies can / or / cant do :)
                        I think these will wear the crap out of my Teflon, or if I run it bare, wear my brass tube, or shaft will become thin at the rub point. These wire drives come a couple inches too long from what I'm told, is there a way to relocate the motors further towards the bow and maybe make brass tubes straighter? That would be the ticket lol[/QUOTE

                        Only time will tell. The wire is so much smaller then the cable and the bend in the tube is minimal that I don't think the wire will even contact the liner.

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                        • Keagan-Z06
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2016
                          • 970

                          #1362
                          Originally posted by Erroneous
                          I read on another forum that a certain someone is building their Zelos twin aiming to hit 130mph.. Want to chime in "certain someone"?....
                          Is that somebody first name a member of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles??
                          Proboat Voracity-E 36" , Proboat Zelos 36 Twin , Proboat Miss Geico 29" , Traxxas Spartan, Fightercat Daytona, Zonda

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                          • fweasel
                            master of some
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 4282

                            #1363
                            Originally posted by Keagan-Z06
                            Is that somebody first name a member of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles??
                            Michaelangelo?
                            Vac-U-Tug Jr (13mph)

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                            • Keagan-Z06
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 970

                              #1364
                              Try again!
                              Proboat Voracity-E 36" , Proboat Zelos 36 Twin , Proboat Miss Geico 29" , Traxxas Spartan, Fightercat Daytona, Zonda

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                              • fweasel
                                master of some
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 4282

                                #1365
                                Originally posted by Keagan-Z06
                                Try again!
                                I suppose it's not funny enough to run through the other two names before we get to rafael
                                Vac-U-Tug Jr (13mph)

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