Looking for Help picking Electric Boat

[Kent55]

This is where you will find Howard, Alan and I.
Near Akron at the Seville interchange.

Right at 224/76 - 71 ?

I'm 30 minutes from there.

[mtbenjamin77]

This will actually be my second boat...but I am definitely an extreme newbie. This is similar to what my last boat was. I had the OLDER (smaller motor) version though. I think it was a 370 motor. I only had it about 2 months.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXYLH5**&P=7

So this time I want to up the performance and speed from that.

You need a boat that is fast out of the box but also has potential to be upgraded later once you learn more about how these things work. Stay away from the plastic boats get a fiberglass hull, get something that's brushless and make sure it has a 2.4 radio system and get something that has aftermarket upgrades readily available.

[T.S.Davis]

If you read a little more carefully my posts that are "all over this forum"... You'll find that's how I conduct myself. I don't think I ever "compare" one to another,

No Darin, you don't typically. But I will. In fact I'll compare the companies.

I own and race boats from both AQ and PB. Neither company is head and shoulders better than the other. Although I do wish that PB would get more involved in racing events and such. Baby steps. Both have some quality products. Both have the occassional manufacturing hicup. I haven't actually spoken to their tech support but honestly......if you're savy enough to be posting here you're also savy enough to know that Darin helped develop some of PB's offerings. You're also savy enough to know that Mike Z. (Grim Racer) who is also a member here developed many if not all of the AQ boats. Both these guys are extremely accessible and will answer product questions. Both will answer questions that have ZIP to do with the products they've been involved with. These guys are modellers for real. Not just company hacks. That said........if those guys aren't encouraging folks to try products that they themselves helped develope I would question if they were human.

On to the original post.

I haven't seen the Wildcat run but it reminds me so much of the old Key West boats in the videos that I'm intrigued. Looks to be sold as a 3s boat. You could run it right out of the box that way. It doesn't fit in a class on 3s but that's okay. Not everyone races. The size is perfect to upgrade to an N2 offshore setup if later you wanted to race. You could put maybe a cheap Feigao 8s motor ($40) in there with a Seaking120 speedo ($82) and then a pair of Nano 2s packs ($50 ish).

The trouble is that to upgrade and/or end up in a class you're looking at another $174. So $220 for the boat, $30 for a cheap 3s pack, then 174$ upgrade = $423 You end up in a class that's rarely run other than the nationals. Plus that upgrade may not get you to the speed of a Motley Crew or a Geico right out of the box. At least with those you can race it of you get the itch.

Now I AM a racing slappy. Not everyone is. That's no crime (that's what they tell me haha). All my purchases revolve around "can I race it?"

If it were my money I would go one of two ways. Get a Wildcat or the PB 26" mono and leave them alone. Don't upgrade. Run them as is.

OR

Save a bit more dough and buy a Motley or a Mystic and be at the speed I wanted (close) without having to rebuild and spend even more money. Initial investment is higher but you don't absolutely need to upgrade. AND you can race with Alan, Howard, and Jim of you can get them organized.

There are some descent mono options in that Mystic Motley price range too.

[Darin Jordan]

Darin WTF you want from me?? Seriously??

I completely deleted everything about you and Proboat that was in the original sentence and simply stated the I have a Wildcat and left it at that. Afterwards I posted what amounts to an apology and made the above referenced member aware of the fact that I had cleaned up my act in response to his post.

Now you come along and basically say hello everybody, I'm the guy he was talking about. Thereby pouring gasoline onto the fire that I attempted to put out in the first freaking place. Just WTF are you trying to prove here?? SMH

Ok fine, you wanna games, here goes...

What part "What's out there for about $200-$250? and will run Lipo batteries." did you NOT UNDERSTAND??

I guess this will be my last response to you... you seem a little unstable, and are coming across as a little irrational... Perhaps you have the best of intentions, I can't say for sure... but I don't have time to get involved in a flame war like you appear to want here...

I think you are reading WAY more into my response than was there. I was simply explaining myself. If you want a "war" or whatever, you aren't going to get one from me. I'm simply trying to respond to the gentleman's request for RC boating options...

Sheesh...

[LiPo Power]

I am sure that when you get the boat from Hobby King you will have no more quastions....
Ohh wait, they have customer feedback forum you can get the answers about your boat from HK....
They are in English....
All the best making your choice....

[Darin Jordan]

You need a boat that is fast out of the box but also has potential to be upgraded later once you learn more about how these things work. Stay away from the plastic boats get a fiberglass hull, get something that's brushless and make sure it has a 2.4 radio system and get something that has aftermarket upgrades readily available.

I do believe you would be money ahead to wait until you could afford one of the more complete options out there, especially if you intend or have the desire to get involved in local racing. The smaller, ABS options mentioned, don't really have a place to race in most clubs these days. On the other hand, the Motley Crew, Miss Geico, Mystic, Impulse 31, etc... are all drop-ins for the P-Ltd classes...

Just something to consider.

[LiPo Power]

So simple, thanks Darin....

I do believe you would be money ahead to wait until you could afford one of the more complete options out there, especially if you intend or have the desire to get involved in local racing. The smaller, ABS options mentioned, don't really have a place to race in most clubs these days. On the other hand, the Motley Crew, Miss Geico, Mystic, Impulse 31, etc... are all drop-ins for the P-Ltd classes...

Just something to consider.

[mtbenjamin77]

SuperVee27R Display Model

Here it is.......
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[LiPo Power]

Perfecto!!!!!

-Good price
-Good product and material
-very long history of positive feedback from users
-Fully MOD-able!!! ( when you get FE boat sick!!! )
-2.4GHZ Tx Rx
-Fast
-Good looking
-Wicked motor and ESC
-Sh.t load of fun

Now to the negatives:

N/A !!!!!!

[Darin Jordan]

Perfecto!!!!!

-Good price
-Good product and material
-very long history of positive feedback from users
-Fully MOD-able!!! ( when you get FE boat sick!!! )
-2.4GHZ Tx Rx
-Fast
-Good looking
-Wicked motor and ESC
-Sh.t load of fun

Now to the negatives:

N/A !!!!!!

Deals like this are great to find.

You could even get involved in racing with it. Guys in our club race these in P-Ltd Offshore all the time.

[Diesel6401]

Answer...
$72~$99 for a PROBOAT BRUSHLESS MOTOR... http://www.proboatmodels.com/Search/...SC&PageSize=36

$72~$117 for a PROBOAT BRUSHLESS ESC... http://www.proboatmodels.com/Search/...tDirection=ASC

$20 for PROPRIETARY program card that AquaCraft ESC's DO NOT REQUIRE!!

Total = $236 + $170 for the boat purchase

Any questions about why I suggested an AquaCraft Wildcat EP that comes WITH A brushless motor, and comes WITH A brushless ESC, that DOES NOT need a program card... All for $199.99 delivered??

Come on man, that pricing is so miss leading its not even funny. You know dang well the majority people including yourself buy seaking esc's for a lot less then the Proboat and even aquacraft escs for that matter with the exception being spec racers, and the reason aquacrafts escs don't require a program card is because they aren't programmable!!!!.. You could have stuck a aquacraft esc in your boat, but you didn't and the reason you didn't is because the seaking 60 amps are cheaper then the aquacraft 60 amps. He could very VERY easily have that converted to burshless for less then $100 with a Tacon 3650 and a seaking 60,90 or 120. And as far as Darin only promoting or relating to Proboat last time I checked Darin's UL1 Race prep thread was/is one of the best threads on the UL1 and he's ALWAYS been supportive of Mike Z and AQ. Also the Impulse comes with a Spektrum RX which is more expensive (and better imho) then the Tactic setups the AQs comes with which is why you have a price difference. The OP could very easily setup up to a awesome computer radio like the Spektrum dx3c or dx3s and have a rx already in his boat waiting to be bound with a better more programmable radio. I'm not knocking the tactics and I like them, but dx3s blows it out of the water in every catagory. The Impulse 26 is $10 more then a RIo EP and it comes with a rx that retails for $30 more then the tactic rx and is waterproof. I'm a BIG AQ AND PB fan, both companies do a lot for this sport and Darin is ALWAYS online helping people regardless if it's PB or AQ. I didn't wanna post anything, but man your rants of late have been completly out of control and unneccessary. Attacking senior members of this forum won't gain you any respect whatsoever. Offically BLOCKED!



I am very sorry to the OP for posting this in your thread, but certain things I felt the need to speak on and jusity. This is an awesome forum with good members (exception to a few) and I'm sure all your questions and answers can be found here. Famaliarize your self with the search function and you may be able to find the answers you may need with actually posting.

[Kent55]

Is this SuperVee pretty waterproof inside?

[Kent55]

Perfecto!!!!!

-Good price
-Good product and material
-very long history of positive feedback from users
-Fully MOD-able!!! ( when you get FE boat sick!!! )
-2.4GHZ Tx Rx
-Fast
-Good looking
-Wicked motor and ESC
-Sh.t load of fun

Now to the negatives:

N/A !!!!!!

Now this is what looking for.

[mtbenjamin77]

Yeah, tape is always good. one thing about the SV27R is it has a radio box. Atleast when its new from the factory. that was the first thing I took out of mine. I've found that using some electrical tape from the dollar store works great for the SV cause you can bend it around the corners and make a nice seal that way. and if you do the sides then the back it can be removed in one fail swoop. Also one thing about the electrical tape is you can get different colors red yellow black orange etc.

[Darin Jordan]

Kent,
Pretty much all R/C boats need to be "taped up" to keep the water out - especailly speed demons like the SV27. A roll of clear tape comes with them for that purpose, I use clear tape (like scotch tape) that I get at the local dollar store - when I'm not taking them out of the water every few minutes to check motor temps after upgrades - which I've been doing a lot of lately.

Taped up = a strip of clear tape that connects the hatch cover to the hull of the boat, hopefully that makes sense.

Yeah, tape is always good. one thing about the SV27R is it has a radio box. Atleast when its new from the factory. that was the first thing I took out of mine. I've found that using some electrical tape from the dollar store works great for the SV cause you can bend it around the corners and make a nice seal that way. and if you do the sides then the back it can be removed in one fail swoop. Also one thing about the electrical tape is you can get different colors red yellow black orange etc.

Both observations are very true... You also want to try to keep your Lipos dry... People don't see it, but when the solder tabs get wet, they corrode very easily and resistance builds up. On dunking can often double the resistance of these joints... especially on less-expensive batteries...

This is JUST a point to note... Not pushing one way or the other... But the Pro Boat's (MG, Mystic, IM26, IM31) all have "tupperware " style inner lids that snap on pretty well, and then get covered over with the actual cowling. On my race boats, I do NOT tape the hatch all the way down most of the time. I'll just put a small strip of tape across the front, and one at each back corner, just for good measure, and thus far, the lids have done their job. When I go testing, I do the same, and the boats flip all the time and still come back dry, or with minimal water inside. It's really a pretty nice system, that I am working with Pro Boat to improve upon all the time.

The SV27R there does have the most important parts sealed inside the radio box, but I would still recommend taping the cowl on to keep the rest of it dry, and also to keep it afloat!! Add pool noodles inside as well. Sinking a boat can really ruin your day.