P-Limited Motors - Im going to jump on the hot seat.

[Darin Jordan]

On the subject of NAMBA, via a "Tech Committee" putting a list of motors together, many of the same "Cons" listed above come to mind. Essentially that's what we have now. People just want more, or their own pet motors, added to the list.

I fear that conversation like just went on above will continue were we to continue with this formula.

[rayzerdesigns]

there will always be discussion darin..but great points..i have no problem with the current selection of p limited motors

[Darin Jordan]

On the subject of the original suggestion of simply providing a fixed set of specifications and opening up the allowance to anything that fits the spec, isn't this type of spec essentially how both of the other motor allowance options (single source and list by comittee) are being done in the first place?

Think about that for a moment.

[Darin Jordan]

i have no problem with the current selection of p limited motors

Ray... like you, I've had great success running the other-than-AQ allowances. I ran a 1500 today in my new IM31 today and I don't think anyone would suggest it's slow.

But... I can assure you that the list is rapidly drying up. The Dynamite 1800 is no more and when existing supplies of 1500s are sold, that's it.

This list is rapidly running it's course and I think we, as NAMBA members, need to be proactive in getting a more permanent solution.

P-LTD has been a good thing for FE racing and I think we can keep it going if we can address this subject, perhaps more permanently.

[raptor347]

I've given this some thought over the last couple days. Maybe P-ltd has run it's course.

We've had a good 8 year run with it up here in the PNW. I think the rest of the country has done pretty well too. We could just let it die and return to open motor racing nationally and let the local clubs run what they want. With the historical experience of LSH and P-ltd, another option is flush this rule set and come up with something a bit more stable/flexible using that past experience. What stable/flexible means is certainly open to interpretation.

Having watched and participated in these discussions for years now, it might be the most healthy move for the hobby. As a recipient of some of the mud slinging, it certainly makes me wonder if it's worth the continued effort to keep it alive.

Until someone sits down and writes up a rule proposal and it passes, it is what it is in NAMBA. At this point, I really don't care if the class continues or not. I will say that the manner in which these discussions carry on isn't good for the hobby in general.

[Darin Jordan]

As a recipient of some of the mud slinging, it certainly makes me wonder if it's worth the continued effort to keep it alive.

I totally understand this sentiment, however, I think for the sake of the actual NAMBA members that are involved in this discussion, those who actually have a stake in this game, as well as the 90+ % of participants in the class that may read these discussions but choose not to participate, I'm willing to stick with it. I'm sticking to the subject, and will continue to press forward with open discussion.

If that means I need to take the majority of that mud, so be it. I know the truth, and so do those friends you and I have in this hobby, so I'm not worried about it.

I think the class has merit, so would like to see it continue it's already long run of participation.

[Darin Jordan]

Darin

I think what you listed is a great place to start I know Terry said he would like one motor but I don't think that's a good idea as we will be back in the same boat lol in a few years if that long, give me a few days and I will look at motors that fall into the specs and make a list I think we need to include as much as possible and still keep the performance as close as we can

Thank You, Fred. That would be helpful.

by the way I suck at typing if you cant tell, but I know it


Fred

No worries there, Fred. I kind of suck at diplomacy. We all have our crutches...

[rayzerdesigns]

Although I am totally okay with the motors on the list..The only one that seems to still be in production us the aq 2030..maybe Darin or someone at pro boat/dynamite can talk them into continuing to produce the 1500..or even bring back the 1800..I have no problem with a single motor approved if we do go that route..though I can see the side as why people would..I also agree that at every race I have attended..p limited are the biggest classes. .why would we want to change it to open?? I do like the idea of a single size motor..maybe different kvs..but I also think it would have to be a single manufacturer. .but that's my opinion..stock..or limited is supposed to create a tighter racing enviroment..better racing..look at car side..There are very strict rules that involve motor approval..and truth be told..it makes them pretty much all equal..I do think it needs to be addressed..but please guys..until it is..let's follow the rules we have in place and enjoy this fun hobby..

[Darin Jordan]

maybe Darin or someone at pro boat/dynamite can talk them into continuing to produce the 1500..or even bring back the 1800..

I can assure you that isn't going to happen. I already begged. Those motors are not coming back, and the 1500's days are limited to inventory/stock on hand. Pro Boat is in the business of selling RTRs, and they have moved on from this size motor.

[RandyatBBY]

Ok I have read 50% of this thread, When mud slinging happens it turns me off,.... I just skip it. Just as in everything else take the 25% of the cream off the top and forget the rest.
I was racing this weekend in NAMBA district 9 sanctioned races. The three class we run in P LTD are well represented by the members of D9 and some members D19 do come up to race us too. It is strong in D9 and will they be permanent classes this year due to the strength and care of the new District FE Chairman Joe Slaney. We did have problems with the motors this weekend and as allways I found my self in the middle of it. The current UL-1 motor in my boats IMO is a wimp that can run good in light setups with much care. If you put any stress on it the wires burn up and take the controller with it. The way the new rules are written the new Pro Boat motors would appear to be legal, at least that what Joe and Wilmer say. I have nothing to or no way of refuting that. If the class is not restructured as it stands it will always have problems. That is life anyway.
The basic idea of a speck class is to have fun, allow creativity. To have people with high skills help and encourage beginners to succeed.

[ray schrauwen]

Well the thread is done now.

Thanks Fluid for trying to inject some intelligence into the conversation.

Thanks Ray for asking a stupid question.

Thanks Terry for calling out Jeff.

Thanks Jeff for responding to Terry's BS but it is thoroughly understood.

I thought there was no such thing as a stupid question but, I'm known for some, I'll admit that.

I haven't bothered with a SF esc with data logging since I've heard they aren't so hot. I'm still modding a Castle esc that has logging. Other than esc datalogging there is the Eagle Tree, kinda out of my budget. Besides, I rarely get much pond time in the last couple years, life...

[ron1950]

I will not get into this other then to say whats the big problem? I don't have any problem getting all ready approved spec motors...is there a shortage where where u guys are>??

[Darin Jordan]

Again, moving past the noise...

I need some information from people. Could you please measure the diameter of as many "36mm" motors as you have access to and report back to me either here or via IM what those measurements are? Need the Data.

For example, the AQ motor I have here is 36.25mm. The Dynamite 1500 is 36.3mm.

Need to find out what encompasses our current motors.

Thanks.

[Doby]

Darin:
From my spare motor pile....

Original AQ blue motor...36.4mm
AQ 2030 gold generation 1...36.3mm
AQ 2030 gold generation 3...36.1mm
AQ 1800 gold generation whatever...36.2mm
PB 1800 grey motor...36.3mm
TP 1950 cheese-head special...36.1mm

[ray schrauwen]

Again, moving past the noise...

I need some information from people. Could you please measure the diameter of as many "36mm" motors as you have access to and report back to me either here or via IM what those measurements are? Need the Data.

For example, the AQ motor I have here is 36.25mm. The Dynamite 1500 is 36.3mm.

Need to find out what encompasses our current motors.

Thanks.

Turnigy EDF 1900kv silver motor, 35.8mm like a Feigao can. Not currently on the list.