Blueprinting UL-1 Motor Wires

[Doby]

Whtchya got Ray?...In the three years with you guys, I never heard a peep...

I like the Graupner props for general bashing around the ponds.

Lets all order some boats for London!

[bbill1]

We all run the same equipment in every FE class in Atl. The hulls vary in some classes but the motors, ESCs, and even props are the same for the most part.

We all agreed to keep it this way. It keeps the racing tight and the wallet in your back pocket where it belongs.
It works for us.
Doug

I think your just banging your head against a brick wall Doug. They can't see the forest for the trees. How can they get everyone to run the same hull/motor/esc/prop combo when you can't even get everyone to agree on a speedy.

In a collective, it's all about compromise. No one likes all the parts, but at least you can agree that it's the fairest solution of all.

You guys act like you want to have a 100% spec'd class but won't even accept a 50% spec'd class that has been suggested.

And please don't bring up the cost thing again cause if $30 makes the difference then maybe you shouldn't be running anyway. You can also get a cheaper 60 amp speedy as well. So both points are moot.

I just don't get it...

[Doug Smock]

I think your just banging your head against a brick wall Doug.

Bill I'm not really talking to the guys that are posting on this thread or the many threads like it on this and other forums. That ship has sailed.LOL
I'm talking to the guys that are reading the threads!!!!

Doug

[T.S.Davis]

The CD makes the call with items like this, typically when faced with a protest.

Come on Dave, I know you have a book. The CD does not make the call on a protest. He's one of a 3 person committee. Hopefully they can read and wont decide what was "meant" by the rules.

Chairmen also don't have the authority to interpret the rules.....even though you wrote them. Randy had a boat disqualified from 2500 miles away by a chairman that wasn't at the race and never saw the boat in person. Many moons ago. Wasn't even for a rule violation if I remember correctly. Something like "wasn't in the spirit of the class". Nutty. It was wrong then and there's still no provision for chair interpretations in the rule book.

I submitted that latest set and have no power over their meaning either. The words mean...........what the words mean. The 10th guys discovered a flaw in the wording for scale regarding the turn fins. They knew what they meant when they wrote it but it didn't make it to print. They didn't protest it with claims of "intent". They fixed it with words in the book. If I had known this would come up I would have fixed it with words before I sent it to D2 to make sure there were no doubts.

The wire covering on some of these motors is crap. What if the wire wrapping comes off the wires? Should I fix it? Have to run the motor with no shrink I suppose. Another scenario. Flimsy wires with great big giant connectors. Them things bounce all over the place if you don't secure them. Rubs through the shrink. bbbzshtt. I've lost motors two ways. Wire wrap right where the wire touchs the endbell wears out or I throw a magnet. That's it. Throwing magnets takes some serious overpropping BTW.

[MarkF]

Ok Here is my 2c. First off I dont think anybody should start a thread or recomend taking off the endbell of a speced motor. Taking the endbell of any speced motor in any racing form is never allowed.
I saw the way these things were shrinked using only one piece of shrink tubbing for all three wires. You can cut this shrink off with an exacto blade no problem.
Second, if your at a 2 lap or national event and you get beat by a guy who put new shrink on his motor leads then guess what? You didn't get beat because he put New Shrink Wrap on his Motor. You got beat because he drove better than you or he set his boat up better than you or he got lucky or so on and so on. Saying you can't put new shrink wrap on a motor because its not in the rule book is just ridiculous. I can't even believe this is even being quetioned.

Mark

[Doug Smock]

Good luck fellas..................

[siberianhusky]

"The motors shall be used as shipped from the manufacturer, with the
exception of creating a drive shaft flat spot, adding water cooling, and
allowing the motor to be connected to the ESC by any means."
So skip the bullets and solder the motor and esc wires together and use long heatshrink!
Can the length of heashrink over a connection be protested?
That wording is open to some creative interpretation, nothing in the rules states you can't open the motor...
It's up to the rule makers to decide if something like this is a performance improvement or preventative maintenance. Then it's up to the racers to find a new way to bend the new rules. Isn't that the way racin' has always worked?
You do have to admit from a racing standpoint these are a pretty loose set of rules for "spec racing". Take a look at some of the SCCA class rules!

[Doby]

Good luck fellas..................

Hey,,where did Aerosmith go???

[T.S.Davis]

All of the motors that come in the RTR offerings we are getting the motors from have water jackets from the manufacturer. One could argue that the rule contradicts itself. Why would we add watercooling to motors "manufactured" with it? The motors we buy are replacement motors. To comply with the "as shipped" stipulation we should be running only the jackets that come with RTR. A Kintec will have better flow. The AQ that comes with Motley is much much better than the original UL jacket.

I don't really feel this way. I'm only pointing out how ridiculous the notion is that we're all somehow exempt. We all try to find a little bit better way to keep our stuff running.

[Doby]

This whole tread discussion is Tony's fault...If he hadn't tried to be helpful then we wouldn't all be discussing this.....Way to go man.

[MarkF]

Poor Tony, try to do something helpfull and look what happens. While were on the subject, I like to oil my bearings but it doesn't say I can in the rules. Am I going to get disqualified if someone sees me oil my bearings before a heat and they protest me Mr. C D?
OK I'm done.

Mark

[1truckerdan]

Well....... It sounds like "congress in session"
The fact is that the " wire insulation mod" will NOT change the performance OUTPUT of the spec motor....all it is does is keep the boater from having an added cost for replacing a motor (and possibly an ESC rx or servo)for a "shorted out " motor wire.
I thought that this "spec" class was to make it more" affordable " for the masses that want to race.
Just my 2cents
Daniel

[CHIEFY_44]

I have to agree with mark last post, all tony was trying to do was to be helpful, save people some aggrevation and some $$, nevermind tony

[Doug Smock]

Guys don't make this harder than it is.
These motors are still teched by visual means, even for records right?
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...ce-May-28-2011
It seems to me, you just need to get the "inspectors" involved, and get a clear description of what a "Limited" motor "looks like". You don't have to call the description rules necessarily, call it anything.
Then you just need a few copys of the discription of the limited motors to give to future inspectors. Piece of cake fellas!!!!
FWIW Tony's example "looks" to me like a limited motor that has some additional heat shrink. I give it two

See ya at the pond!!!

[properchopper]

"Exchange This" and a Confession

Mirriam-Webster defines FORUM as : " A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"

We've certainly done this here, and I'm glad it goes on. Whatever conclusions can be drawn we walk away better informed and our "thing" gets better.

Personally, I agree with Mark. Skill and well balanced setups will trump wire shrink on the playing field. But still we must adhere to the rules and hope they are clear. While set in place with the best intentions and a trueness of heart, conflicts in interpretation and new situations arise which [I]may[I] require a second look. (The U.S. Constitution has many ammendments.)

To set the record straight (is there a pun here?), I "blueprint" my wires simply to prevent long-term degradation, NOT to allow my setups to be capable of more winning performance. I doubt that anyone else does this to go faster either.
The motor I did this to in the picture is Stephen's used motor which needed it to allow to be used for his spec rig without an inevitable shorting, not to allow for a more agressive setup.

To reiterate, my recent records were set with non-blueprinted wire motors ( do I really have to defend myself? I hope not). Actually, since there was no previous records to beat, I ran those classes (without any hyper-agressive setups) simply to fill up a blank spot on my wall and to allow the PNW guys to come down and have a good laugh at me while killing my times (all in good spirit of course).

So here's another confessional spice to liven up the Chili ( You know I Love Ya, Bro - couldn't resist) :

I HAVE occasionally run small fans blowing on my spec motors, especially for 4.5 min offshore setups. No mention of these in the rulz. Just so you know, my thusly equipped offshore rig was so underpropped last race in AZ to keep temps down that my finishes sucked. I once tried pushing the timing on a P-Ltd. Sport Hydro setup and employed a fan. Both the motor, SC, AND fan went to barbeque heaven on the mill. I'll say it again : the stock AQ speedy works just great with factory pre-set timing.

ATBE ( a new acronym? - "All Things Being Equal"), I'm concentrating on balancing my setups for performance and longivity and steering around the dead boats and turtles.

And that's it for now

Tony