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  • raptor347
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Jul 2007
    • 1089

    #61
    So here's an interesting interpretation of an existing rule.

    NAMBA rule 18.J.5 applied to SRB:
    Since an SRB isn't a called dead boat. If another boat dnf's because it hits the SRB while it's righting itself, the SRB gets DQ's for performing an action that impedes another racer and the boat that hits it gets 169 (4th place points) for being taken out.

    You could also call lap penalties for blocking racing lanes while it self rights. There's a rule that deals with something along those lines in the book somewhere. Of course you're only allowed two penalties before you get DQ'd anyway.

    I like the SRB's and they make a lot of sense for endurance racing. Just not a fan for sprints. Don't know what you guys want to do with O/S.
    Brian "Snowman" Buaas
    Team Castle Creations
    NAMBA FE Chairman

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    • T.S.Davis
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Oct 2009
      • 6220

      #62
      Chris, your right. You haven't really violated any rules that I could point to. I would like to see the rules not allow them but it's probably not necessary the more I think about it. If the race is called appropriately the advantage of an SRB goes away.

      The calls in London were pretty loose overall.

      but...............I still hate them there self righting boats. I can't really even tell you why they agitate me.
      Noisy person

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      • chris
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 110

        #63
        Terry I don't have excellent driving skills like Dave so speaking His language I purchase extra insurance coverage on my barrel-roll.

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        • T.S.Davis
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Oct 2009
          • 6220

          #64
          I can relate. A trick I learned from Dennis. Make up for my lack of skill with an obscene quantity of speed.
          Noisy person

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          • Jeepers
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • May 2007
            • 1973

            #65
            I think SRB"S should be made illegal. The offer an extreme speed advantage.
            Solid Rocket Booster.

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            • Stinger9D9
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 355

              #66
              It's this kind of "discourse" that can often turn to some pretty nasty arguing that keeps people like me away from the pond on race day.

              I thought the mood at the Northern Lights event was friendly and not overly serious. It was refreshing and made me think I might give it a try next year just for kicks. I know I wouldn't be competitive, but thought it may be fun just to participate. Now hearing that some drivers still harbor bad feelings about the CD not appyling certain rules at the London races, all the reasons I avoid competitive rc events have come rushing back. I wouldn't want to get in the way of the serious guys and cause any hard feelings.

              I have very little spare time to enjoy running my boats, and that other thing that takes the rest of my time (work) provides me plenty of conflict and frustration already. It's a toy boat race, if I win, it wouldn't even make last page news in the local paper, so why get so worked up about it? That's just me, but that's why I stay away.

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              • chris
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 110

                #67
                Originally posted by DPeterson
                Read it again Darrin. My tag line stays.


                My reference to the IMPBA rules is that they were not followed concerning SRB's at this particular race.

                Doug
                White boat is SRB ,Doug flips on start.

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                • longballlumber
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 3132

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Stinger9D9
                  It's this kind of "discourse" that can often turn to some pretty nasty arguing that keeps people like me away from the pond on race day.

                  I thought the mood at the Northern Lights event was friendly and not overly serious. It was refreshing and made me think I might give it a try next year just for kicks. I know I wouldn't be competitive, but thought it may be fun just to participate. Now hearing that some drivers still harbor bad feelings about the CD not appyling certain rules at the London races, all the reasons I avoid competitive rc events have come rushing back. I wouldn't want to get in the way of the serious guys and cause any hard feelings.

                  I have very little spare time to enjoy running my boats, and that other thing that takes the rest of my time (work) provides me plenty of conflict and frustration already. It's a toy boat race, if I win, it wouldn't even make last page news in the local paper, so why get so worked up about it? That's just me, but that's why I stay away.

                  Stinger9D9,

                  I would like to address your reply. While I understand you statement and see why you would feel the way you feel, I think you also contradict yourself a little too.

                  You gotta try it before you can quit.

                  I will start off first by saying that organized racing is not for everyone, and it’s not going to appeal to EVERY person that owns an RC boat (car, truck, airplane, tank, helli… etc.) However, that has to be a decision each individual makes for themselves. No one can do that for you.

                  You have already stated above that you interested in Racing. THAT IS GREAT! The next step is to get out there and try it. You must have some competitiveness in your genes, other wise you wouldn’t even be interested. When you first get involved with organized racing you need to remember the number one thing is to FINISH your races. The fastest boat doesn’t always win. The next suggestion is to get a good pit man. The 2 of you should have a plan and that plan is to finish. I have been racing for many years, and to this day a pit man can make me or break me in a race. I still get nervous driving, to the point that I shake. I need to be reminded to FINISH the race and stay smooth with my driving. As you get into more racing scenarios concentrate on your driving skills and keeping your boat straight and in your lane. You let the “faster” guys go around you.

                  We all started somewhere. None of us started racing with the fastest boat and wining races right away. However, I will tell you once you get a trophy and get that taste of the satisfaction of all your hard work driving or working on the boat you will be hooked.


                  NOW, about this particular thread, you hit the nail on the thread about London. It was relaxed and it was GREAT fun. Most if not all that attended this year are already talking about next year and trying to get time scheduled to participate in 2012. There is something to be said for that. The discussion that is happening in this thread is far from volatile. I still find this to be a healthy discussion about the progression of rules and the progression of the supporting organizations. I don’t think anyone is “harboring bad feelings” it’s simply a discussion to talk about what may seem are “loop holes” with the existing rules, the lack of a rule, or the verbiage with in a rule.

                  Is there still seriousness to racing; absolutely! 2 guys drove all the way from Wisconsin, took several days off work, and spent plenty of money to make that happen. Many guys did the same thing coming from the Metro Detroit area too. The great thing is there wasn’t one guy at that race that wouldn’t go the extra mile to get your boat up to speed or faster than theirs. Keeping secrets doesn’t help anyone. Racers are out there and willing to help in anyway possible. However, they can’t read your mind.

                  I could go on and on… We have several VERY new racers in our club and I think it’s safe to say they had a great time this year. As a matter of fact 2 of our newest racers came up to the London race. You gotta, get in there and get your hands dirty sometime before you realize the true benefit.

                  Later,
                  Mike Ball

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                  • 7500RPM
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 110

                    #69
                    Limited Spec Mono.......What is an Impulse 31, Super V 27/27R, for then..... Spec will be changed to Spec motor only and any speed controller can be used..went down this road before..
                    There is no replacement for displacement, I guess I just have to Buzz it higher!

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                    • T.S.Davis
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6220

                      #70
                      Originally posted by 7500RPM
                      Limited Spec Mono.......What is an Impulse 31, Super V 27/27R, for then..... Spec will be changed to Spec motor only and any speed controller can be used..went down this road before..
                      Not sure what you're referring to. Spec isn't box stock. It's P Limited Spec mono we're talking about. It doesn't need to be changed to "any" speedo. It's already any speedo. By the way, SV27's finished 1st and 2nd in a our spec offshore class for 2010 on the stock speedos. So the notion that open esc's kills the class is BS. One of those SV's finished third this year after 6 races on the same setup he bought it with. It's the third season. There were 6 laps between first, second, and third after a whole season of heats. We were still racing for position in the last heat.

                      The discourse is my fault. I'm sorry guys. Sabotaged my own thread. The SRB's and the CD work. I really can't explain exactly why the SRB's bother me. I didn't see Chris flipping all over the place. I think maybe I can imagine how I might drive if there was no fear of capsizing?

                      On the CD work. I was hit by an SRB......no call. Not even a lane infraction. Had nothing to do with it being an SRB. Then in another heat for the same class I was taken out by the CD......no call, no lane violation. I had the fastest boat in the class by far and twice I was taken out without even a lane call. When you put a lot of time into hand crafting a boat and travel to a foreign country to race it you want at least a fair shake. Now....with all that said. The good SO out weighed the bad at the London race that I'll be trying to get back there. Super great company and plenty of good laughs. For me there's more to racing than just the laps. That's why I keep doing it even though I don't always win.
                      Noisy person

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                      • DPeterson
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 842

                        #71
                        Stinger9D9 - I believe I am the one who referenced the Northern Open. I did so because it was an IMPBA race, there was a SRB present and there were rules on the books - or so I thought there were. Not to affend any one else, but the Northern Open is a favorite of mine. Great place to travel to with great people to race with. I will be trying to attend as often as I can. This discussion on P-Limited Mono's, P-Limited Offshore and SRB's are just discussions about the boats and the merits of SRB's and such. Nothing at all about an event or any one particular person. Please get involved and have fun racing with us.

                        chris - The youtube you posted is P-Mono. My reference to this subject has been with the P-Limited Offshore. Your SRB was observed rolling over several times during the five heats. Doesn't really matter that much to me. I can beat a SRB as many time as a SRB can beat me. I will however be on the side of the fence that votes SRB's illegal if it comes to that. And Chris - you are a very good racer and can put together a competitve race boat. Have more confidence in yourself - you do not need the SRB crutch.

                        Doug
                        Doug Peterson
                        IMPBA 19993
                        www.badgerboaters.com

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                        • Steven Vaccaro
                          Administrator
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 8723

                          #72
                          how would you guys like it if we decided that every boat requires a flood chamber for self righting. Sounds stupid, doesn't it. But wait a minute, whats more of a hazard? A Dead boat that flipped on lap one of turn one and sits in the middle of the race track for 4 more laps or a boat that rolls over, self rights and moves out of the lane to continue. I've NEVER been hit by another boat while flipped, but have witnessed MANY disqualifications of racers that hit dead boats that are taking up a lane. Thats never seem fair to me. If you flip, its your problem. Dont flip. If you do, you risk your boat being damaged. Flipped boats are a obstacle on the course and clearly more of a hazard than a srb will ever be. And as far as race advantage goes, it shouldn't really matter in the scope of things. If a srb flips over it should be substantially behind the pack in laps/time and not be a contender for a first place trophy in most cases.
                          Steven Vaccaro

                          Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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                          • D. Newland
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 1030

                            #73
                            Come raceday, the fastest boat in the class wins the class 39% of the time.

                            At the '10 Nats in Colorado, P-Ltd Offshore...out of I think 25 boats, only 2 of them finished all 4 heats.

                            Just to comment again, my posts on this thread are really for National/Sanctioned events.

                            Steve-For me personally, I want the dead boat to stay put. As much as the driver of the dead boat wishes he could get it off the course and that it would be helpful to the other drivers, the best thing he can do for the CD and the other drivers is to leave it there and continue to announce, or remind the CD to continually announce the dead boat and it's location.

                            That is the proper etiquette at a racing event. It is the least confusing way for the CD's and other drivers to deal with a dead boat. Your point is valid, but I think it's too simplistic. On the surface, yes-if you can move a dead boat off of the course, do so...but the situation is more dynamic than that. The CD runs the race. He calls the boat dead...it is to stay put. Otherwise, you have the drivers making the decision whether or not to get their boat off the course, and different drivers have different opinions on what should and should not be appropriate. It's not his call. And, this isn't just about SRB's...some boats flip and the driver tries to air-drive the boat to the infield or off the course.

                            I was in an Open heat early in October with my new Q mono, racing gas monos and sport hydros. The last heat had 7 boats in it and I stuffed in turn 1. Boat died, but was upright. The radio failsafe kicked in because the boat submarined. It actually re-activated after a few seconds, but the CD called me dead so I left it in turn 1, lane 3 for all 6 laps, while the remaining boats finished the race. I made sure it was announced each lap.

                            The other drivers race concentration is more important to me than me trying to get my boat off the course. My boat was called dead so if they hit it, it's their "fault". Not that I hold it against them, but it's their fault. If I attempt to move it and then it gets hit or I create a loss of concentration for another driver that makes him do something stupid, I'm now at fault for whatever happened because of my decision to move the boat...and then feel bad about it.

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                            • sailr
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 6927

                              #74
                              Absolutely agree!

                              Originally posted by steven vaccaro
                              how would you guys like it if we decided that every boat requires a flood chamber for self righting. Sounds stupid, doesn't it. But wait a minute, whats more of a hazard? A dead boat that flipped on lap one of turn one and sits in the middle of the race track for 4 more laps or a boat that rolls over, self rights and moves out of the lane to continue. I've never been hit by another boat while flipped, but have witnessed many disqualifications of racers that hit dead boats that are taking up a lane. Thats never seem fair to me. If you flip, its your problem. Dont flip. If you do, you risk your boat being damaged. Flipped boats are a obstacle on the course and clearly more of a hazard than a srb will ever be. And as far as race advantage goes, it shouldn't really matter in the scope of things. If a srb flips over it should be substantially behind the pack in laps/time and not be a contender for a first place trophy in most cases.
                              Mini Cat Racing USA
                              www.minicatracingusa.com

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                              • Flying Scotsman
                                Fast Electric Adict!
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 5190

                                #75
                                A nutty Scotsman's resolution, as in Formula One you can not execute a pass where a yellow flag is being waved for a local situation, if the CD has viewed a dead boat and informed all drivers of this sitaution the same rule would apply.

                                Douggie

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