Limited spec mono

[DPeterson]

Read it again Darrin. My tag line stays.

The SRB's at some point will be discussed in both NAMBA and IMPBA as far as rules go. Not sure when and I am in no hurry.

My reference to the IMPBA rules is that they were not followed concerning SRB's at this particular race. I am not advocating a change at this point and any change will not be discussed in a public forum by me.

Doug

[T.S.Davis]

Can anyone in the IMPBA explain the delay?

I'm with ya John. I want the update posted. We've been hearing about files for years. I do know that they are very close on this though. I don't want to get into the organization bashing and chest thumping again. Both fall prey to the fact that even for the board of directors of each this crap is still just a hobby. I choose to cut both some slack.

Neither rule books really addresses the SRB. Even the potential new IMPBA version that Doug posted doesn't quite make self righters illegal. I want them illegal. Being able to tune a boat better than the next guy is not the same. We're not talking about performance enhancment. Again, my opinion. Opinions and a'holes right? If my P mono was a SRB I would have run Randal down and cut him in half in Canada on principle.

Okay, so I tore apart my smaller Wild thing last night. It wont work the way it was. Well it could have but I didn't like it. The bottom is perfect and the boat runs fine but the batteries were a pair of 2s packs. One on each side of the motor. I want the cells in the keel. Less lateral wobble. I'll post some pics when I get the inards back in it. We'll see how it does. Not sure if I'll get it in the water before the water turns to a solid.

[Doby]

Read it again Darrin. My tag line stays.


My reference to the IMPBA rules is that they were not followed concerning SRB's at this particular race. I am not advocating a change at this point and any change will not be discussed in a public forum by me.

Doug

Hi Doug;

I gotta respectfully disagree with you on this point. The "Published" rules were followed.

[Doby]

I'm with ya John. I want the update posted. We've been hearing about files for years. I do know that they are very close on this though. I don't want to get into the organization bashing and chest thumping again. Both fall prey to the fact that even for the board of directors of each this crap is still just a hobby. I choose to cut both some slack.

Neither rule books really addresses the SRB. Even the potential new IMPBA version that Doug posted doesn't quite make self righters illegal. I want them illegal. Being able to tune a boat better than the next guy is not the same. We're not talking about performance enhancment. Again, my opinion. Opinions and a'holes right? If my P mono was a SRB I would have run Randal down and cut him in half in Canada on principle.

Okay, so I tore apart my smaller Wild thing last night. It wont work the way it was. Well it could have but I didn't like it. The bottom is perfect and the boat runs fine but the batteries were a pair of 2s packs. One on each side of the motor. I want the cells in the keel. Less lateral wobble. I'll post some pics when I get the inards back in it. We'll see how it does. Not sure if I'll get it in the water before the water turns to a solid.

So if a boat goes underwater at the finish line water, does it actually "finish" the race?

[properchopper]

So if a boat goes underwater at the finish line water, does it actually "finish" the race?

Brings up an interesting point. Lately, some P-Mono missles will submarine, come up on their bottoms and are capable of continuing. How would this be adressed ?

[T.S.Davis]

So if a boat goes underwater at the finish line water, does it actually "finish" the race?

HAHA Been there done that! I think if momentum carries it over then it's a finish. If it's wind then no. Kinda hypocritical of me ain't it?

Maybe the potential rule that Doug posted is the only way. 3rd time is the charm. If a boat submarines 3 times and comes up on it's bottom every time I'd probably be the first to want to give them some sort of award. How's a stuffed survivor different than self righting?........I DON"T KNOW!!!!! hahaha You'd think I'd be all over SRB's as much as I like my junk to look different.

[DPeterson]

Good point John. I'm with ya.

As it turned out I didn't lose P-Limited Offshore due to a SRB being in the class. I lost due to spinning out on the offshore bouy during one heat giving me a 6 lap count instead of the 9-10 laps I had been turning. Lost the class by 1.5 laps I think.

Thinking about the IMPBA rules posted above - imagine a 6 boat heat with all SRB's in it and the CD trying to keep track of how many times each boat stopped and rolled.

Doug

[T.S.Davis]

You'd have to rely on pit man honesty to tell his driver he's had 3.

Didn't we have an ECO class that never took off?

I want to get extra points for crossing the finish line with mud from the bottom of the lake too. Style points or something. Who's with me!?

[photohoward1]

Mud on your Helmet? What Terri? I'm with Peterson. Not a good open forum discussion. Never ends well.
BTW. N2 size boats IMO are to small for Spec Mono class. You have to finish to win.

[T.S.Davis]

Howard, sometimes I can actually hear your voice in my head when I'm pushing my too hard. "gottttaaaaaa finishhhh to winnnnn" like some kinda wraith.

I didn't mean to get off on a rules tangent. My fault. Sorry guys. I wanted to see what guys were using for P spec mono. Or what they thought they might use. I would really like it if guys would think "I don't want the greif that comes with a SRB". You may be right about the N2 sized boats Howard. N2 sized boats are almost too small for N2. The length limit working.

Nice thing about these experiments is that they cost me nothing. I already own everything I need including the boats so might as well give it a whirl. I really like that small Fighter Cat mono. It's only 100 bucks I think. Similar to a Delta. Probably too small though.

[D. Newland]

Steve-There's no YouTube video of a full size offshore boat doing a barrel roll and then able to continue racing?

You're right about the balance challenge of SRB's, but it begs the question...is it fair to the other drivers to have a boat on the course that is impossible to balance...then flip and self-right?

I'm trying to find a way to keep SRB's included in National/Sanctioned competition, because I am fending off a very strong opinion from racers that they should be illegal right now. It won't take much to have a successful (very successful) proposal go through NAMBA to deem them illegal. And it will be "illegal", not "they will be allowed to run, but they must do ABC and not do XYZ".

That is why I am stressing the importance of SRB drivers attitudes and demeanor come race day. I'm OK with boaters that have SRB's that want to take a stab at competitive racing. I am not OK with racers building purpose-built SRB's that want that feature as a competitive advantage...again at National/sanctioned events. And Doby-yes-I do put Chris in this camp. He and I have talked about it in person and it seems he wants to continue going in a different direction with his racing program, which is his right to do, but he also knows the consequences.

IMO, the ball is in SRB racers court, so to speak.

[Flying Scotsman]

Very interesting discourse, in my opinion self righting boats should be banned unless they run a seperate division for those boats.

Douggie

[Flying Scotsman]

double entry for some reason I can not fathom/

Douggie

[chris]

Okay I'm getting a little confused in which direction this post goes.
First it started about P- spec mono , which I think is great fun if you have enough motors to burn.


Secondly I find quite amazing when a group of good racers start to hate talk because they lost one race.
If the member of IMPBA modify his boat and break no of rules, maybe just maybe you can learn something new from it.

Chris

PS. Pond in London has quite special water conditions, it deceiving to the eye, first day cat's were much faster because of the flatwater, on Sunday that change. So three first boats where monos.

[Flying Scotsman]

No hate talk, just discourse and I am not a racer, but I love to hear what other people think of this hobby

Douggie