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  • bustitup
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Aug 2008
    • 3071

    #76
    Some motor suggest NOT cutting motor leads because there length is part of the wind and will void warrantee
    SPRINT CAT 40.........BOOGIMAN 25" MONO 8xl
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    • blackcat26
      High Speed Junkie
      • Sep 2009
      • 1598

      #77
      Originally posted by bustitup
      Some motor suggest NOT cutting motor leads because there length is part of the wind and will void warrantee
      Oops, my bad. I was thinking about the battery side leads.....
      FE BOATING: Less like a hobby and more like an addiction!

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      • Brushless55
        Creator
        • Oct 2008
        • 9488

        #78
        Originally posted by rearwheelin
        Would shortening motor leeds help with this ? Shorter the better ?
        I've see this question many times and answers that follow, usually say yes..
        well in my professional opinion of over 15 years of audio mixing in live field and studio.. I will say we use 10' to 50' power cables to the speakers and 10' to 150' cables to devices..
        If you do not over power the system and run the amps and speakers beyond what they were ment for, there really is not much difference in performance
        and with these wires that measure in inches, the loss is not much if any at all

        the biggest improvement most possibly see, is they have a better solder connection and that in its self will make the system run better, or for us, Faster!
        .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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        • Make-a-Wake
          FE Rules!
          • Nov 2009
          • 5557

          #79
          Originally posted by blackcat26
          Oops, my bad. I was thinking about the battery side leads.....
          Shorter Batt leads are better for overall performance..................
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          • Brushless55
            Creator
            • Oct 2008
            • 9488

            #80
            Originally posted by Make-a-Wake
            Shorter Batt leads are better for overall performance..................
            not really just better soldering
            .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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            • Jeepers
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • May 2007
              • 1973

              #81
              Originally posted by Brushless55
              not really just better soldering

              tell that to the saws racers.........

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              • Brushless55
                Creator
                • Oct 2008
                • 9488

                #82
                Originally posted by Jeepers
                tell that to the saws racers.........
                I really don't need to!
                I've been in the audio field for over 15 years and deal with much more power than what these boats will ever see
                .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                • crabstick
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 954

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Brushless55
                  I really don't need to!
                  I've been in the audio field for over 15 years and deal with much more power than what these boats will ever see

                  Thats like comparing speakers with electric motors... wait that is what you are comparing
                  Matt.
                  FE, Nitro and Gas racing in Auckland
                  www.rcboats.co.nz

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                  • Brushless55
                    Creator
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 9488

                    #84
                    Originally posted by crabstick
                    Thats like comparing speakers with electric motors... wait that is what you are comparing
                    we pull more watts than what most could ever think of
                    not many have seen 8 18" subs move 4" and more under 10,000's of watts during sound check... eye balls move in their sockets
                    it will make ya sick, for real...

                    the quality of wire and the connection is much more important than loosing 1" of wire, the amount of resistance is so small its almost undetectable

                    by the way, a speaker is a motor
                    .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                    • Jeepers
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • May 2007
                      • 1973

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Brushless55
                      we pull more watts than what most could ever think of
                      not many have seen 8 18" subs move 4" and more under 10,000's of watts during sound check...
                      :
                      When I was just out of high school and heavy in to car audio (I worked for an auto sound company) I was able to see (and hear) Alma Gates PPI sponsored Bronco with 64 10" subs and 32 amplifiers, approx 40+kW of power, at that time it had already set the SPL record at 162.9db. UNREAL!

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                      • Brushless55
                        Creator
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 9488

                        #86
                        That is bad #@^*!
                        I do video production as well, and when my friend would do sound check (not to get off topic of this thread) I would check video angles with a HD Cannon camera and my eyes would vibrate and blurr because he would crank the system just to mess with me
                        .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                        • crabstick
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 954

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Brushless55
                          we pull more watts than what most could ever think of
                          not many have seen 8 18" subs move 4" and more under 10,000's of watts during sound check... eye balls move in their sockets
                          it will make ya sick, for real...

                          the quality of wire and the connection is much more important than loosing 1" of wire, the amount of resistance is so small its almost undetectable

                          by the way, a speaker is a motor
                          Lets see you power a boat with a speaker
                          I actually have seen and installed a couple of high end watt car audio setups.
                          I recall one setup we had to install a Phoenix Gold competition alternator and a truck size 750cca battery to power it, the car also had to be running and idling at 1200rpm to pull the respectable 143db that it did about 8 years ago. And yes this car you could not sit in whilst at full crank. You could feel it deeeep beyond your sternum.


                          Anyhow my point was this :
                          Concert type gear is 240v supplied by an "unlimited" power supply.
                          The Car audio setups are running on a LARGE power source that gets replenished
                          Now go an get some 5000mah lipos and see how many amps you can pull from a limited power supply where you need every last ounce of power

                          This is where every last bit of efficiency becomes important IMO
                          Matt.
                          FE, Nitro and Gas racing in Auckland
                          www.rcboats.co.nz

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                          • Brushless55
                            Creator
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 9488

                            #88
                            Originally posted by crabstick
                            Anyhow my point was this :
                            Concert type gear is 240v supplied by an "unlimited" power supply.
                            The Car audio setups are running on a LARGE power source that gets replenished
                            Now go an get some 5000mah lipos and see how many amps you can pull from a limited power supply where you need every last ounce of power

                            This is where every last bit of efficiency becomes important IMO
                            our point is not about power supply... it is how it gets to the motor...
                            I've worked with 10' to 150' cables and the most important things is the quality of the wire, the gauge, and connectors
                            a speaker is a motor that delivers sounds waves, and with bad connections with the amount of power we use, speakers will get blown and amps damaged
                            similar to a brushless motor and the esc
                            I don't care how short anyone makes the wire, if the connections are not 100% my setup will be faster with longer wires
                            and if the connectors are equall, 1"-2" shorter of high quality wire will not be faster, the resitance is to small to be a big difference
                            but with SAW you want things nice a neat, and you could save a few ozs of weight in the process, and that can be a good thing
                            .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                            • Make-a-Wake
                              FE Rules!
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 5557

                              #89
                              Originally posted by rearwheelin
                              O.S.E. was short a 580L so went and ordered 1515 Castle motors with water jackets Wonder what she will do on 6s ?

                              Get your goodies yet?
                              NEED PARALLEL CONNECTORS?? QUALITY 5.5MM, 8MM, 8 AND 10 AWG, GET THEM HERE: http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...est!&highlight=

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                              • rearwheelin
                                Fast Electric Addict!
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 1941

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Make-a-Wake
                                Get your goodies yet?
                                Not yet, probably in the next couple weeks, Steve is waiting for a batch of water jacket before he ships. I need time to paint the boat too , I painted and it didn't turn out and now I must strip it and give it too the pros.
                                "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
                                --Albert Einstein

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