56-102 Monster coming down the pipeline

[keithbradley]

The new 528 "Beast" motor is the most powerfull motor under $200. Excluding the Neu and Lehners, I would rate motor power OUTPUT something like this:

Castle 2028, Beast 528 > Leopard 56x110 > Proteus 528 > Leopard 5698 > Proteus 520, Leopard 5692, HOR 5694

I would personally choose the 4 pole Proteus and Leopard over the HOR motor in a boat. I have had problems with 6 pole motors and certain ESCs in the upper RPM range.
I am also a dealer for TP Power, and they don't make a 56mm x 94mm motor, so I think you're wrong about the source of HOR's motors.

[ray schrauwen]

Johnny hired either temp or ?? some guys from TP Power to make these special for him. They have set screws and flat spots to keep the shaft from spinning and have longer rotors and coils than some TP Power motors from HK like the 1320.

If you go to Chris Fines website yu will see his TP Power AKA "Black Nemesis" motors. They are TP Power too just special order Rare Y winds.

I would say this is the beastiest motor out there:

30 HP Model
10 pole
25,000max rpms
10mm Shaft
22,000
watts

600

500

41

4.4

5"x5"

Special Order
2 week delivery time
$1885.00

He has 56x85mm, 56x95mm, 58x95mm and the above beast. Very pricey but, most likely built as well as the SSS HOR version.

You see how the length is just a couple mm longer than Leo's and the SSS's, thats just mainly endbell plate thicness. The SSS's were thicker than the HK TP Power ones and Chris's are possibly even thicker adding a 1mm just to have a different motor classification or something??

[keithbradley]

I know the 58mm motors Chris has are TP motors. I'm not sure about the 56mm motors that HOR has though...I actually was under the impression that those were Tenshock motors.

If anyone really wants that "30HP" motor let me know...I can get you a little bit better deal on it than that.

[ray schrauwen]

I bet you can

Hard to say if Tenshock or not but, I might get a 1700kv 5684 in spring for some fast SAW runs on 6S.

[keithbradley]

I bet you can

Hard to say if Tenshock or not but, I might get a 1700kv 5684 in spring for some fast SAW runs on 6S.

What hull? What would your setup be Ray? I've never found a use for the highkv/large can motors in boats...I'll be interested to see what you do with it.

[Punisher 67]

Well I also bought a SSS5694 motor from horracing.com and it is the way to go if your looking to build a 100 mph cat.
I'm running this motor in my 1/5 4x4, and on 8s I smoke the tires 100 feet down the street. Forget wheelies. I can't get traction with racing slicks!

Please Post the video of this awesome feat....that would be coool to watch - I am really curious about getting a 1/5 myself

The new 528 "Beast" motor is the most powerfull motor under $200. Excluding the Neu and Lehners, I would rate motor power OUTPUT something like this:

Castle 2028, Beast 528 > Leopard 56x110 > Proteus 528 > Leopard 5698 > Proteus 520, Leopard 5692, HOR 5694

I would personally choose the 4 pole Proteus and Leopard over the HOR motor in a boat. I have had problems with 6 pole motors and certain ESCs in the upper RPM range.
I am also a dealer for TP Power, and they don't make a 56mm x 94mm motor, so I think you're wrong about the source of HOR's motors.

I have to agree with Keith infact I will go two better neither of which is more than 11000 watts

Lehner 3080 > Neu 2230 > Castle 2028, Beast 528 > Leopard 56x110 > Proteus 528 > Leopard 5698 > Proteus 520, Leopard 5692, HOR 5694

Twissted please don't take this as an attack on you but I have a hard time chewing on the fact that these will stand toe to toe with a 2230 Neu or a Lehner 3080 .

[ray schrauwen]

Well, I was going to experiment with it in my 40" mono maybe. It is Carbon Kevlar and pretty light. I kmow guys that run 1717's in 40" monos and get 60mph out of them. Too bad I missed that sale for the Sirius 1717's ( )

What hull? What would your setup be Ray? I've never found a use for the highkv/large can motors in boats...I'll be interested to see what you do with it.

[twissted]

Keith I would say that you should buy a pair of these SSS5694 motors. I will be the best money that you've spent in awhile. When you do, look at the construction. the ends are TP also look at the specs. 50000 rpm in this size of motor? No company is going to build a motor better than what the company is capable of for them selves. The specks for this motor is HOR and if you go to the MHZ site you will find that they have a custom motor that is like the SSS5694 but is a little longer 5698 and is called a Sirius Engines

[Jason4636]

Keith I would say that you should buy a pair of these SSS5694 motors. I will be the best money that you've spent in awhile. When you do, look at the construction. the ends are TP also look at the specs. 50000 rpm in this size of motor? No company is going to build a motor better than what the company is capable of for them selves. The specks for this motor is HOR and if you go to the MHZ site you will find that they have a custom motor that is like the SSS5694 but is a little longer 5698 and is called a Sirius Engines

Twissted- I would really,really love to see you turn 50,000rpm with that motor. Let the smoke roll baby. Have you ever heard, cause I know I haven't. How leopard, sirius, and many other makers of rc motors say 60,000rpm max. I would love to see someone even run one at 60,000rpm for any distance. It won't happen. Anyone can claim a certain number, but are you ever going to run a boat there without it catching on fire. It won't happen

[Cooper]

So if I rember correct didn't you ,twisted, file a PayPal claim against hor? And you bought more product from him at a later date? And now you want to spin a 56 size motor up to 50000 rpm just cus the bearings are rated for that??? Just as a curtisiy to hor please don't file another claim when you cook those motors. I would like to see the results when you pass 360amps through that motor for any length of time. 10s battery is pretty high for 1200 kv. (50000 rpm).

[Cooper]

So if I rember correct didn't you ,twisted, file a PayPal claim against hor? And you bought more product from him at a later date? And now you want to spin a 56 size motor up to 50000 rpm just cus the bearings are rated for that??? Just as a curtisiy to hor please don't file another claim when you cook those motors. I would like to see the results when you pass 360amps through that motor for any length of time. 10s battery is pretty high for 1200 kv. (50000 rpm).

Really I would like to see the results, please post pics or video of your run when you do. :)

[twissted]

I'm running it at 35520 @8s. I never run at max of a motor. I think that the props are better at a lower rpm as well. But 50000 rpm tells a lot as to the quality of a motor. I like the fact that you read between the lines. It gives a clear picture as to how to respond.
I would like to add that I added specs so that you can see the differance in motors and also some of whats the same. How many companies build large motors that turn like that. You want a fast boat, find a motor that likes to turn. I'm thinking they make a larger power curve and also same with the torque. I don't care how much a motor cost or not. There are tells as to what makes a great motor. Thats fact, and you guys can paint any kind of picture want, and I'll stick to the numbers that the motors produce. If you have a problem with that please explain it to MHZ as they have a brushless motor with the same kind of numbers as the TP motors as well as the SSS5694. Take a lokk at the motors that I'm talking about and you will see that the end bells are the same. I think if you look you can push these motor with bigger boats then say the Neu and Skyrc motors. I will build a boat that proves this point. I have some of the motors to test this, when the boat gets built. I think that there are boats out there that already proves this point, and I hope to do the same. I don't think you will find me pushing past the limits of these motors but matching them to the ability of the esc's and liops that I will run.RampageXBE034.jpg

[Cooper]

I know what these motors look like, if you want I can take the can apart. And I do not believe these motors will last any time spinning any prop at 50000 rpms.


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[Cooper]

And if money wasn't really a concern and quality was I know I would be talking to s neu. Have one custom built. I have already thought about it but the $600, I would rather burn up less expensive ones. Even the very high dollars motors will melt, split, demagnetize, seize, arc, spin bearings, short, burn, just as easily as a less expensive motor- its all in the combinations of inputs, volts, amps, watts, load, heat, ect,,,, and well post the video of you running them and your setup.


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[keithbradley]

Keith I would say that you should buy a pair of these SSS5694 motors. I will be the best money that you've spent in awhile. When you do, look at the construction. the ends are TP also look at the specs. 50000 rpm in this size of motor? No company is going to build a motor better than what the company is capable of for them selves. The specks for this motor is HOR and if you go to the MHZ site you will find that they have a custom motor that is like the SSS5694 but is a little longer 5698 and is called a Sirius Engines

Send me one and I'll do a no load test at 50,000RPMS and video it for you. I will post it on my website regardless of outcome as an example for everyone to see.