56-102 Monster coming down the pipeline

[Punisher 67]

Twissted being a Lehner owner of 3 X 3080'S and 3 X 2280's I am going to clue you in a bit here - as always you always get what you pay for and the Lehners are no exception . There is no motor out there that is built like the Lehner line they have a very unique rotor design and are just packed full of wire making them easily one of the most efficient designs out there . Neu 's are also well designed but as of late I see some quality control issues hopefully that will be nipped in the butt . But needless to say a very large and extremely powerful line of motors .

So the big question why was the speed so close - Maybe cause the KV was also close between the two design's and with the same cell count the speed would have been close also . Now lets start adding power well past the manufactures rated limit similar on both motors and see if the high precision Chinese motor can handle the heat - I 'll bet you it grenades well before the Lehner even see's any stress . I noticed on your pictures of the 5850 that it was Herve from the uniques section logo next to the motors so can you explain why you are using someone else's product to make your point . I do not know you and I do not want to insult you either but you certainly have made a few ignorant assumptions .

i cannot put this any nicer but there is no F**KING way a Hor SSS5294 will push 12KV on a continual output and anyone thinking it will is an absolute retard . There is just not enough motor or mass to support those kind of numbers unless it is just for a few seconds on a saws run . I have seen the inside of a 11KV Lehner 3080 and also the pinner interior of a 4 & 6 pole 5692 the Hor's equivalent - It is like comparing a garden hose to a sewer pipe in fact a 56110 would be severely taxed trying to even come close and its a 25% larger motor . I just cannot see any magical magnetic and wiring combination that makes that motor so special and above all others .

Quit using everyone else's examples and maybe post some of your own real world experiances .

[keithbradley]

Twissted being a Lehner owner of 3 X 3080'S and 3 X 2280's I am going to clue you in a bit here - as always you always get what you pay for and the Lehners are no exception . There is no motor out there that is built like the Lehner line they have a very unique rotor design and are just packed full of wire making them easily one of the most efficient designs out there . Neu 's are also well designed but as of late I see some quality control issues hopefully that will be nipped in the butt . But needless to say a very large and extremely powerful line of motors .

So the big question why was the speed so close - Maybe cause the KV was also close between the two design's and with the same cell count the speed would have been close also . Now lets start adding power well past the manufactures rated limit similar on both motors and see if the high precision Chinese motor can handle the heat - I 'll bet you it grenades well before the Lehner even see's any stress . I noticed on your pictures of the 5850 that it was Herve from the uniques section logo next to the motors so can you explain why you are using someone else's product to make your point . I do not know you and I do not want to insult you either but you certainly have made a few ignorant assumptions .

i cannot put this any nicer but there is no F**KING way a Hor SSS5294 will push 12KV on a continual output and anyone thinking it will is an absolute retard . There is just not enough motor or mass to support those kind of numbers unless it is just for a few seconds on a saws run . I have seen the inside of a 11KV Lehner 3080 and also the pinner interior of a 4 & 6 pole 5692 the Hor's equivalent - It is like comparing a garden hose to a sewer pipe in fact a 56110 would be severely taxed trying to even come close and its a 25% larger motor . I just cannot see any magical magnetic and wiring combination that makes that motor so special and above all others .

Quit using everyone else's examples and maybe post some of your own real world experiances .

What do you run your 2280s in Peter? I'm considering a pair for one of my upcoming builds...
Also, what are your thoughts on the Lehner kv ratings and how they compare to Neu's...maybe we can add some USEFULL info to this thread!

[Punisher 67]

Keith I haven't a whole lot of experience with the 2280's but I did have one in a 35 mono on 8 cells and it was a rank setup infact the hull was completely destroyed in a crash , It was a 2280/7 and for me the number 7 for Lerner's is a lucky number . Seems for my apps that config works the best . My main experience is with the 45 - 60 inch boats . the 3080/7 and Neu 2230 /1Y are almost carbon copies of each other with size and weight with the lehner weighing about 5% more . ,My two Snipers running the same cells , same prop , everything else runs about 5% faster with the 3080 and eats about 10% more for amps and time as apposed to the 2230. So the closest eaquivs between Neu;s and Lehners are the 2230/1Y Neu's and the 3080/7 's both with virtually the same KV'S and power output - the 3080 in this app has the upper hand in my experience

The Hor SS5694 competing in this arena is beyond a laughable joke ( twissted )

Never owning a Neu 2230 or a Lehner 3080 and then running them side by side how con you possibily make any comparison with some magic motor....Hor 5694

[Doby]

Twissted being a Lehner owner of 3 X 3080'S and 3 X 2280's I am going to clue you in a bit here - as always you always get what you pay for and the Lehners are no exception . There is no motor out there that is built like the Lehner line they have a very unique rotor design and are just packed full of wire making them easily one of the most efficient designs out there . Neu 's are also well designed but as of late I see some quality control issues hopefully that will be nipped in the butt . But needless to say a very large and extremely powerful line of motors .

So the big question why was the speed so close - Maybe cause the KV was also close between the two design's and with the same cell count the speed would have been close also . Now lets start adding power well past the manufactures rated limit similar on both motors and see if the high precision Chinese motor can handle the heat - I 'll bet you it grenades well before the Lehner even see's any stress . I noticed on your pictures of the 5850 that it was Herve from the uniques section logo next to the motors so can you explain why you are using someone else's product to make your point . I do not know you and I do not want to insult you either but you certainly have made a few ignorant assumptions .

i cannot put this any nicer but there is no F**KING way a Hor SSS5294 will push 12KV on a continual output and anyone thinking it will is an absolute retard . There is just not enough motor or mass to support those kind of numbers unless it is just for a few seconds on a saws run . I have seen the inside of a 11KV Lehner 3080 and also the pinner interior of a 4 & 6 pole 5692 the Hor's equivalent - It is like comparing a garden hose to a sewer pipe in fact a 56110 would be severely taxed trying to even come close and its a 25% larger motor . I just cannot see any magical magnetic and wiring combination that makes that motor so special and above all others .

Quit using everyone else's examples and maybe post some of your own real world experiances .

Yup.

[Punisher 67]

Twissted I just want to apologize for being a little to gruff on my comments towards you sorry,,,, but the 12KV there is just no way - Hor claiming those numbers just blows me away

[dana]

Twissted I just want to apologize for a little to gruff on my comments towards you sorry,,,, but the 12KV there is just no way - Hor claiming those numbers just blows me away

if youve had any dealings with this guy you would realize theres no need for apologies. he has been rude and obnoxious on many occasions to others on here.

[twissted]

motor werks

Ok here is how I set up timming on my motors. I start wit factory guid lines and take temps and amp draw. I then set the timming to amp draw and keep a eye on the temp. What I get from that is the speed of the motors I also use different props. As for the quality of the SSS5694 motors I think they are great. as for thinking that they are better than the Lehner motors no. Go do think that theyare a steal at 99.00 dollars and would use one over a Neu motor of same size. This is my opinion and it is why I one one and will buy more in the future. As for buying a Lehner motor I would rather buy TP Power of the same size because I like the power to size that they produce, and they are more priced with my wallet in mine. you have your opinion and I have mine. I also think that tp sells more product for the reasons I just covered. They my not out run the lehner motor at the moment but they are a new company that makes changes to be the racers choice. I like that.

[twissted]

Hey I get it. And the thoughts we share are based on what we have used and lost in building and ther is a learning curve that I must face. I think that what Hor is claiming is based on the company that builds them. I'm thinking TP Power as they have alot of the same specs.

[lenny]

Hears a tip for you,
Just do not believe everything you read or hear.
They like to till you what you want to hear,
Just as long as it sell the stuff.
Bull sh!t sells stuff, Just like sex does.

[keithbradley]

you have your opinion and I have mine.

His opinion is based on experience.
Yours is based on nonsense.
You like the motors you have because they are the only motors you have.
Your assessment of Lehner, Neu, or even other brands of motors is about as valuable as your assessment of my back yard...you know nothing about either.
Feel free to comment on your experiences. Keep the rest to yourself.
It would be nice to keep some of these threads on track. Too many posts about your guesses just makes it hard for people to find the real info.

[Cooper]

Ok here is how I set up timming on my motors. I start wit factory guid lines and take temps and amp draw. I then set the timming to amp draw and keep a eye on the temp. What I get from that is the speed of the motors I also use different props. As for the quality of the SSS5694 motors I think they are great. as for thinking that they are better than the Lehner motors no. Go do think that theyare a steal at 99.00 dollars and would use one over a Neu motor of same size. This is my opinion and it is why I one one and will buy more in the future. As for buying a Lehner motor I would rather buy TP Power of the same size because I like the power to size that they produce, and they are more priced with my wallet in mine. you have your opinion and I have mine. I also think that tp sells more product for the reasons I just covered. They my not out run the lehner motor at the moment but they are a new company that makes changes to be the racers choice. I like that.

Agree with Keith!!!!, I wonder why almost all the young kids buy Hondas and mitsubishi and the like and not buy Bugatti, ferrari , lambos, Porsche ? The later performs better doesn't it?

[Cooper]

Interesting read guys, but my brain has bled enough, would be nice to ignore somethings but bad advice does have to be addressed. Hope you all well, you too twisted, and share some of your personally documented testing/builds ( enough of pics from others with the specs-show your own conclusions/results)

[Brushless55]

His opinion is based on experience.
Yours is based on nonsense.
You like the motors you have because they are the only motors you have.
Your assessment of Lehner, Neu, or even other brands of motors is about as valuable as your assessment of my back yard...you know nothing about either.
Feel free to comment on your experiences. Keep the rest to yourself.
It would be nice to keep some of these threads on track. Too many posts about your guesses just makes it hard for people to find the real info.

Agreed

[twissted]

Ok I will say it again. I run the SSS5694 1200 and also I run a pair of SSS3674 2075kv I run the 5694 on 8s and the 3674 on 6s. try to find a 3674 that runs on 6s! These motors are the real deal and untill you try one you will have just take the word of someone that knows nothing. LOL!
3.7v X 2075kv X 6s= 46065 RPM!

[Punisher 67]

Twissted you can't run that kind of sustained rpm in a boat unless its a saws run - Are you using your motors in cars or buggies