NAMBA P-LIMITED Motor List - Pro Boat Motors NO LONGER AVAILABLE

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Terry

I thought the problem with the board this time was:
After we ran the rule that we came up with for a year,(and every thing worked out fine)
Then some people came up with ways to put a lot of extra power in to our size limits.
We then wanted to add a weight limit to the rule( witch was not in the original proposal and had NOT been run for a year before a vote)


Larry


PS - I think that we should drop the weight limit and reduce out length to around 60mm
It seems that the over power motors can NOT fit in a 60mm can anyway.

[Doug Smock]

Sorry Doug. What I wrote reads like a conspiracy theory. Wasn't fair of me. I'm just frustrated. We raced our proposal for a year prior to submission. Ran another year under the recommendations. If I wrote it again based on what we saw on the pond racing.....I still don't know what would survive and make it to trial. So I'm not.

LSH dates back to about 2002. LSO dates back to 2004. Accept not in IMPBA. "Limited" dates to fall of 2008. Accept not in IMPBA. You could race them at IMPBA events but those events ran NAMBA rules. Ummmmm......whatever. My 15 years comment refers to there having been some form of class that had a power limitation based on motors in that time. FE digs it overall and has for quite some time.

IMPBA has only decline a proposal the one time. That is very true. IMPBA has however, ignored every form of FE spec racing since 2002 or 3. Is that fair?

I know with your background at NAMBA you completely understand why I saw a shade of red with that comment. We're good brother! I got it, thank you!

To say the IMPBA has ignored every form of spec racing isn't fair either IMO. How long did the IMPBA have a nitro racer as Fast Electric Director because a FE guy never ran for that position until Chris Harris stepped up?? ( I don't know, but it was MANY) By the time Chris was in office some clubs were already running some form of a limited class or classes. The goals varied from club to club.
Any blame for the lack of spec or limited racing back in the day rests squarely on the shoulders of the FE membership at the time. Perhaps they didn't feel it was necessary. I don't know, but blaming the org. doesn't fly in my minds eye. The org doesn't make the rules the membership does. Yes the BOD has some power when it comes to rules and thankfully so. Otherwise we could be looking at what happened with Scale in NAMBA. Not casting stones at all guys, just saying, really.

You may also remember that I tried to put something together and was met with extreme opposition from some folks (much like what we have now), so I took it to the IMPBA forum at the time and asked Randall to get involved. I got NOTHING for my efforts. We were racing happily and having fun without "National rules" and the infighting. I gave up, why bother, it wasn't worth the pain.


I really am trying to stay off of this topic. The sky isn't falling, this crap hurts my feel good, and I have better things to do.
If something shows up on a ballot I'll vote my conscience.


Good luck fellas,

Thanks all!

Doug

PS Larry the MMEU proposal never made it out for a one year trial. IMPBA & NAMBAs procedures are dissimilar.

[T.S.Davis]

I follow Doug. Supply and demand. Maybe there weren't enough IMPBA FE focussed guys to even bother with it. It is odd to me that nobody ran for director. I can remember a number of IMPBA guys that never hesitated to bash myself or NAMBA. They never stepped up for IMPBA though. They clearly had all the answers. Hahaha

I've confessed repeatedly that we messed up when we went with a list of motors. Availabilty, quality, brand bias, difficulty proving a motor was as marked. Slew of reasons. Can't turn back the hands of time to see what would have happened with a simple size limit.

I feel the same way about the scale motor lists. It's still a bad answer for that same slew of reasons.

[don ferrette]

I follow Doug. Supply and demand. Maybe there weren't enough IMPBA FE focussed guys to even bother with it. It is odd to me that nobody ran for director. I can remember a number of IMPBA guys that never hesitated to bash myself or NAMBA. They never stepped up for IMPBA though. They clearly had all the answers. Hahaha

I've confessed repeatedly that we messed up when we went with a list of motors. Availabilty, quality, brand bias, difficulty proving a motor was as marked. Slew of reasons. Can't turn back the hands of time to see what would have happened with a simple size limit.

I feel the same way about the scale motor lists. It's still a bad answer for that same slew of reasons.

Motor lists are a problem waiting to happen, always have been. It screwed the pooch in P limited and is still screwing the pooch in IMPBA FE 1/8th scale (I've said many times- length and diameter limits and go race, easy to "police" at the pond for those holding an event). Now with this I'm going to have to rethink (and rewrite what I've started) the district 12 1/10th scale rules. Instead of attempting to mirror NAMBA rules as far as motors go, perhaps a length, diameter, kv limits will keep it simple but research needs to be done to find equal AND affordable (read cheap) motors as the whole point was it's an affordable way to run "the pretty boats"

[T.S.Davis]

Don, I can email you our 10th set if you like. Decent starting point.

[donhuff]

I'm with DON on this. Let's make it simple and go with a plain diameter and length rule. Kinda like limiting the cubic in/cc of an internal combustion engine (what a novel idea, NOT) I do not like a Kv limit though, as I feel that you need to have something that we can play with in the motors. Some hulls like a high Kv and a little prop, while others like a low Kv and a big prop. That give us some room for spearmenting!

I'm also against a weight limit, cause sure as we implement a weight limit rule, "ACME Motors Incorporated" will come out with a 36.5mm X 56.5mm that is the most perfect limited motor ever. And it will be 4 grams to heavy for the rules.

[don ferrette]

Don, I can email you our 10th set if you like. Decent starting point.

Please do sir! [email protected]

[jaike5]

would dimensions exclude a Pletenburg ? A motor which is a little more fat and a little short, but a great motor for 1/8th scale, and has been for a decade with no issues. The Greatlakes gentlemen's agreement .What about limiting prop diameter ?

[don ferrette]

would dimensions exclude a Pletenburg ? A motor which is a little more fat and a little short, but a great motor for 1/8th scale, and has been for a decade with no issues. The Greatlakes gentlemen's agreement .What about limiting prop diameter ?

Ah yes the Plett.............
That "agreement" came about long before the battery technology is where it is now and the big Plett's power potential be truly harnessed. The 56mm Plett is far more powerful than any other "legal" motor out there by a massive margin and has no business in a scale boat in my opinion. A 40mm diameter motor is more than enough for an 1/8th scale to run reliably and consistent mid to upper 60s all day long. The Plett in an FE scale is like allowing a .90 in a nitro scale when everyone else runs .67s. There are only two out there that have or are running in the FE scale class that we've been able to find and sometimes for the greater good, growth and stability change is needed even if one or two become illegal. We always talk about doing what's right for the majority yet................

[Ken Haines]

[QUOTE=donhuff;729516]I'm with DON on this....../QUOTE]

Read this beginning of Don Huff's post and thought he had started talking in third person
or Doug had gotten him drunk again...

Thought maybe we needed some levity here

[don ferrette]

[QUOTE=Ken Haines;729524]

I'm with DON on this....../QUOTE]

Read this beginning of Don Huff's post and thought he had started talking in third person
or Doug had gotten him drunk again...

Thought maybe we needed some levity here

[Doug Smock]

If I could be so bold as to put a moderator hat on for a moment....

We try to limit threads to one pile of crap ea. This thread has at least two.

It would be great if any further Scale motor discussion was taken to the appropriate forum.
I promise I'm not trying to censor you, or squash your Scale motor rule speak. Just trying to keep house.

Thanks in advance fellas!

[don ferrette]

If I could be so bold as to put a moderator hat on for a moment....

We try to limit threads to one pile of crap ea. This thread has at least two.

It would be great if any further Scale motor discussion was taken to the appropriate forum.
I promise I'm not trying to censor you, or squash your Scale motor rule speak. Just trying to keep house.

Thanks in advance fellas!

Not a problem brutha Doug.

[Doug Smock]

For the record.

I have never ever intoxicated Don. If Don has ever been intoxicated it was done by his own hands or others.

I have seen "drunk" people before and can honestly say I have never seen Don "drunk". Twice as long as I have known him I have seen him where he probably shouldn't get behind the wheel (and he didn't) but never "drunk".

I got yer back Amp Daddy!

[T.S.Davis]

Not even that one time at boat camp Doug?