NAMBA P-LIMITED Motor List - Pro Boat Motors NO LONGER AVAILABLE

[Doug Smock]

If the BOD is simply trying to avoid the whining of some just tell them it's my fault.

The IMPBA responds to the membership and cleverly conceals it's meeting minutes on the website. If you'd like to know the facts of the matter perhaps you could take the time to read them and put the conspiracy theory(s) to rest.

Drawing on 69 years of experience the BOD knows the "whining" will continue as you can't please everyone in the toy boat racing community.

[T.S.Davis]

True Doug, so please the majority of them. The majority of them are racing spec and have been for 15 years.

Hugs.

[dethow]

Terry,
Give me a call when you are ready to start talking about getting MMEU back to NAMBA and their 59 years of experience in responding to what membership races and wants.

And if that day never comes... no problem. I'll still be personally supporting NAMBA and I will start working on forming a new NAMBA club on the West side of Oakland County, MI at the Camp Dearborn. I'm probably going to setup up a meeting with them this spring.

I had no issues in this hobby and was viewed as a very likable person until IMPBA came in the picture for MMEU. And I personally don't think IMPBA likes the heat they've been getting to do something they just don't want to do since MMEU got involved with them. They want to race P and up boats and that's a stance I don't see changing anything time soon. And that's opinions formed from reading the minutes and things recently said to me by the FE Director. MMEU is a limited, offshore and 10th scale club which just isn't really supported by IMPBA. I just don't think IMPBA was/is the right fit for MMEU and it may be time to move on.

Terry, I'd still like to sit down for that drink to talk about some of this if you're open to it. The past can be left in the past if we can compromise on changing the future so mistakes of the past don't occur again. 99% can occur by just getting away from IMPBA.

I also have a couple other ideas for MMEU that I'd like to share which could help spread the responsibility off you and Tom. Along with making the club more healthy so that more then 2 guys know how to run the club. A good/healthy club shouldn't live and die with 2 guys. As thankful as everyone is for everything you guys do... I think most would like to know the club would still exist even if one or both of you didn't want to race anymore.

[Doby]

Cool Brian.

I remember back in 2014 or someone ran a spec Skunkworks cat with the motor in the bottom, always exposed to water or air.

Very "cool" idea !

That was Doug Peterson....very cool out of the box thinking!

[Doug Smock]

True Doug, so please the majority of them. The majority of them are racing spec and have been for 15 years.

Hugs.

And they can continue to do so in any manner that works for them. Big surprise, we still disagree..lol
I'm done with this. Handle it fellas!

[dethow]

And they can continue to do so in any manner that works for them.

And where it works for majority of FE racers is in NAMBA.

[longballlumber]

Good god, and we are still running the motors that everyone was complaining about 5 years ago. Add the latest RTR motors from proboat, pro marine (sss), and a TP motor to the/a list for good measure and be done with it! How long are those motors I just mentioned? 58mm or less....

Ok so make the limit 58.... that “should” suffice until someone real smart throws a monkey wrench in all of this! The bigger the limit the more room you leave for innovation.

[T.S.Davis]

Isn't there a stock gas class? How the hell did that happen?

[rayzerdesigns]

Isn't there a stock gas class? How the hell did that happen?

And it’s the fastest growing class in NAMBA

[T.S.Davis]

I hear that's true of IMPBA also. Why did they bother? There were already rules for gas classes. Why have these other rules? They didn't need more rules with motor limits. Or........wait........I think I know what happened. They responded to what the gss guys wanted. I guess that works for fuel.

[donhuff]

The stock gas classes came about because a few people who are never in the front during a race, decided that it would be "more fair" to have a class that used only stock engines, and that would somehow "level" the playing field and like magic, they would have a class where every boat was equal, and they would have a "better" chance at winning. BECAUSE you know, winning, has absolutely nothing to do with hull selection, setup, propeller, pipe length, and lastly, because it is the least important of all, driver ability.

At a recent gas race, they tore down, to make sure they were all legal, every single engine competing in any of the stock classes!!! And those things have about 100 parts. It took a whole day, and everybody was pissed off! Why you say??? Because those same danged people that really wanted a stock motor class so they would have a chance at winning, are now bitching about a few people HAVE to be cheating and modding their motors, because the losers, are still losing. And guess what. They are still losing to those same people, that regularly beat them in the modded classes! Remember what I said about driver ability and setup?

The stock classes grew because of a few reasons. 1 For me (I race Super Sport Mono) It was a way to make use of my old hull that had grown to small, because the modded motors were making it go to fast, and I couldn't keep it right side up. the stock boats are slower and a little easier to drive because of that.
2 Because the competition will be closer!! Not really, same people out front, same in the back, and the same ones are still zig zagging and hitting the bank! But my big advantage in the class is that in the beginning I told my son Lamar that this class was off limits to him, That way I'd have a chance! I have won the last two years in our 4 race Grand Prix Series.
3 Because I am at heart a motor (engine) man, I know that in a stock motor class, there is all kind of "wiggle" room in the motor rules. It's not always what the rules "say" that matters, but more importantly it's what they don't say that really matters. Tear my engine down, and it will be completely stock "by the book". Is that cheating? A driver will say yes, a setup man would say yes, a motor guy will say "I wish I'd thought of that".

[T.S.Davis]

I asked the wrong question Don. Sorry.

How did the super stock classes ever get added to the rule book? Did membership want it? Obviously it was added due to demand. Of course there's a process. Proposal, trial period. I get that. The BOD could have tabled it as they have with FE.

Were the gas racers told NO SIR for 15 years? Guessing no. Too many guys thought it would be cool. Can't ignore the masses. FE will never have "the masses" type numbers.

[Doug Smock]

I asked the wrong question Don. Sorry.

How did the super stock classes ever get added to the rule book? Did membership want it? Obviously it was added due to demand. Of course there's a process. Proposal, trial period. I get that. The BOD could have tabled it as they have with FE.

Were the gas racers told NO SIR for 15 years? Guessing no. Too many guys thought it would be cool. Can't ignore the masses. FE will never have "the masses" type numbers.

Get off it Terry it hasn't been 15 years! The classes have only been around for approx. 9 and it's been a pizzing match ever since!
You and the MMEU sent in the first proposal this year and it was declined after much discussion for obvious reasons! So now you can say you have been told NO SIR for less than a year! SMH! At least try to keep it real!

Super Sport was a long process that started with thunderboat (any stock 26cc engine) and ended up with a single engine and a technical inspection sheet a page long. The racer gets his engine back torn completely down as Don mentioned and I have several times.

Later guys!

[donhuff]

OK Terry I see what your saying.

We fought the "stock" motor thing hard. Because we all knew that it would be a problem, as it has been since day one. And the biggest reason is because the good hull, good setup guys, and the great drivers, make it look like they are cheating!

You right about the masses, and the reason that the "masses" get heard is because there is only one winner in a race, and usually 3 to 5 losers.

[T.S.Davis]

Sorry Doug. What I wrote reads like a conspiracy theory. Wasn't fair of me. I'm just frustrated. We raced our proposal for a year prior to submission. Ran another year under the recommendations. If I wrote it again based on what we saw on the pond racing.....I still don't know what would survive and make it to trial. So I'm not.

LSH dates back to about 2002. LSO dates back to 2004. Accept not in IMPBA. "Limited" dates to fall of 2008. Accept not in IMPBA. You could race them at IMPBA events but those events ran NAMBA rules. Ummmmm......whatever. My 15 years comment refers to there having been some form of class that had a power limitation based on motors in that time. FE digs it overall and has for quite some time.

IMPBA has only decline a proposal the one time. That is very true. IMPBA has however, ignored every form of FE spec racing since 2002 or 3. Is that fair?

As for pizzing match......if we had gone size and not with a list would there have been?