NAMBA's P Limited Rules.

[T.S.Davis]

On Sunday night, in the rain at 40*...

You have to be the only guy that happens to Terry. hahaha

[Peter A]

How do you guys verify that? I'm guessing you have the same problem that NAMBA does with their mah limit. Nobody checks it because nobody has the ability in the field on race day to do that. NAMBA relies on the sticker on the pack. If the sticker is right it's legal. They sometimes check pre-race voltage but the mah limits never get checked. Kind of a farce for them.

In reality nobody cares that much, and the rated value on the original manufacturers label is sufficient, and we have max voltages. Stll no one gets that upset if someone uses hv cells if it means making up a race. Few possess the know how to work out how much capacity the battery truely holds, and Fe is too small for it to be such an issue here. Heck even the gas guys can't agree on finding someone to tech a stock 26 zenoah, even with a 'dummies' guide to do so!
It becomes, and should be, about turning laps and finishing races. But above all just enjoying playing toy boats. When it becomes all about the rules and people cheating it to win, everybody starts to lose something!

[T.S.Davis]

I totally get that. The guys that do this stuff wouldn't want anyone even thinking they were cheating. So they just comply and give it little thought. It's that one unscrupulous dude that screws it up for everyone.

Example...

NAMBA and IMPBA didn't always have a max charged voltage. Everyone just assumed that the battery manufacturers recommendations for charge voltage was sufficient to keep guys in check. It's a safety thing right? Why risk it? I sure wouldn't. Well it turned out somebody totally was risking it. Over charging their cells repeatedly. At major events no less. There was/has been speculation that records were set by doing so. Nobody could prove it as it didn't occur to anyone that they needed to check. There was no "rule" prohibiting it exactly so was it cheating? "Oh for crap sake!!!! Sighhhhhhhh". Had to add it in before someone got hurt.

With any rule set, regardless of fuel, a guy that's a cheater............ is a cheater. He's going to find some way to get around the system. Rules are designed to give honest people a recipe for parity with his fellow lunatics. A hand full of said lunatics with similar boats, going similar speeds, with similar childish grins is what the hobby is about IMO.

[Peter A]

Can I have a 'like' button for you Terry?
It gets even worse when your National association president decides to hold allow non members to compete in regattas, not run failsafes (rule for gassers with penalties that he himself brought in!), and then awards himself PC points for competing against all not just members (Obsessed!). Complaints to the committee have now led to the cancelling of this years PC competition because the rules didn't say he couldn't do this and are therefore too ambiguious!
Sad part for me is that I was the one who would have won it this year, my first and maybe only real chance at it! After putting in the effort I was on track to win with the highest points ever and with only FE. It is a bit gutting!
This same 'President' arbitrarily removed my access to our forum, so I cannot exercise my rights to free speech because his mate complained that he didn't like my opinion. The committee upheld said 'complaint', which was in fact nothing but a whinge from someone who was also a previous president who quit and walked away from the association with his entire club! Someone I have had nothing to do with for years. The national treasurer also emailed me saying he was sick of my persistence with electrics, and he and others would be happy if I wasn't in the association.
End of the day I (and others) are over it and will just work on our club and make that the best we can.
Sorry about the rant guys, just felt like getting that off my chest. I know it diverged a little bit off topic.

[T.S.Davis]

Can I have a 'like' button for you Terry?

hahaha For each guy that likes what I type there are 6 (at least) that just get more pissed than when they were reading the last thing I typed. OH! Then there's a guy that logs everything I type like a lawyer. Saves everything so he can use it like sound bites to paint me as some kind of monster at a later date in some fantasy court room. Must be exhausting with well over 20,000 posts out there. There's even a guy that just makes stuff up all together to go after my character. Weeeeeeeee!

It's super fun be'n me at times. Woohoo! Lets send in another proposal! ugh

[Terry Keeley]

Then there's a guy that logs everything I type like a lawyer. Saves everything so he can use it like sound bites to paint me as some kind of monster at a later date in some fantasy court room.

Gotta love those guys. We had one in our club too.

They think Perry Mason's (Millennials can Google him) gonna show up and punish all the "wrongs" they've been dealt by the world. Special little snowflakes they are, that's what Mommy always said, right?

Then the lawyer says you have no case, it's a private club, there's been no laws broken and you haven't suffered any financial loss. But if you give me a $10K retainer I'll see what I can do.

End of discussion...

[Terry Keeley]

I heard through the grapevine a proposal has been submitted to amend our Rule Book in accordance with Section B “IMPBA Constitution”, Article VIII, Section 1.

Apparently the proposal is to create a P Limited class that is the same as NAMBA's current rule. This would be a great addition to the IMPBA FE Rules from all I've seen and heard over the past few weeks.

I hope your FE Director sees this as well and the Board passes the proposal as written!

[longballlumber]

I heard through the grapevine a proposal has been submitted to amend our Rule Book in accordance with Section B ?IMPBA Constitution?, Article VIII, Section 1.

Apparently the proposal is to create a P Limited class that is the same as NAMBA's current rule. This would be a great addition to the IMPBA FE Rules from all I've seen and heard over the past few weeks.

I hope your FE Director sees this as well and the Board passes the proposal as written!

I don't agree with it. I don't agree with how its being done, why this is being done and the method in which it's being done in. It's pretty sad when a FE proposal gets submitted to the IMPBA and the FE Director isn't even included, in turn being notified second hand. At the end of the day it's not the FE director that makes any decision about rules. The board tackles these things as a group. So I am not sure what avoiding the FE Director accomplishes. (this isn't the first time this has happen)

Another note, the club that submitted the proposal to the IMPBA are currently running a motor limit of 58mm.

This whole P-Limited thing has become MORE, MORE, MORE.... (MORE isn?t necessary to keep the class successful IMO).

MORE connector diameter (melting solder joints)
MORE controller headroom (60/90am now have moved to 120/150amp)
MORE capacity in the batteries (because we are pulling more amps)
MORE motor options
MORE motor length
OOPS too much motor length! Just back off by 2mm

but yet the majority are STILL using (generally) the same 56mm style motor that got us here. Heck even the guys that are kicking and screaming that 60mm needs to be the length limit are routinely and openly suggesting a motor that is only 56mm long to others when they ask.

Why does a bigger hammer need to be the solution. How about we institute some rules that keeps people from harming motors and controllers allowing equipment to last entire seasons or multiple years? From a true Limited, Spec, or Club (whatever you want to call it) class perspective, why is the motor the focal point? I think we can all benefit from taking several steps back, tapping the breaks. Lets take a look at where we started and what it's turned into.

My 2 pennies from the perspective of representing the IMPBA
Ball

[TRUCKPULL]

Mike

Where is the LIKE button?

Larry

[T.S.Davis]

Cured.

[Doug Smock]

I don't agree with it. I don't agree with how its being done, why this is being done and the method in which it's being done in. It's pretty sad when a FE proposal gets submitted to the IMPBA and the FE Director isn't even included, in turn being notified second hand. At the end of the day it's not the FE director that makes any decision about rules. The board tackles these things as a group. So I am not sure what avoiding the FE Director accomplishes. (this isn't the first time this has happen)

Another note, the club that submitted the proposal to the IMPBA are currently running a motor limit of 58mm.

This whole P-Limited thing has become MORE, MORE, MORE.... (MORE isn?t necessary to keep the class successful IMO).

MORE connector diameter (melting solder joints)
MORE controller headroom (60/90am now have moved to 120/150amp)
MORE capacity in the batteries (because we are pulling more amps)
MORE motor options
MORE motor length
OOPS too much motor length! Just back off by 2mm

but yet the majority are STILL using (generally) the same 56mm style motor that got us here. Heck even the guys that are kicking and screaming that 60mm needs to be the length limit are routinely and openly suggesting a motor that is only 56mm long to others when they ask.

Why does a bigger hammer need to be the solution. How about we institute some rules that keeps people from harming motors and controllers allowing equipment to last entire seasons or multiple years? From a true Limited, Spec, or Club (whatever you want to call it) class perspective, why is the motor the focal point? I think we can all benefit from taking several steps back, tapping the breaks. Lets take a look at where we started and what it's turned into.

My 2 pennies from the perspective of representing the IMPBA
Ball

Worth repeating.

Well said sir.

Back to sitting on my hands...

As you were......

[T.S.Davis]

You guys have a rule book right? Have you read it?

[T.S.Davis]

No worries. I'll retract the proposal and IMPBA can put it's head back in the sand for another 10 years.

[TRUCKPULL]

No worries. I'll retract the proposal and IMPBA can put it's head back in the sand for another 10 years.

Terry
What are the advantages of moving to 37mm X 60mm

Was there not custom motors from NEU that fit in the 60mm?

What motors would this allow.


Larru

[T.S.Davis]

You could have a 1412 made to order but you wouldn't win with it. We've raced them.

Honestly it doesn't matter. I'm retracting the proposal.