More limited motor discussion

[Doug Smock]

Can someone tell me why 62mm? And not the specs of the original limited motors?

If we stayed within those old constraints, we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.

I don't have a "politically correct" answer for that but I can tell you without a doubt that those motors still work for a successful P Limited racing program.

[Darin Jordan]

I don't have a "politically correct" answer for that but I can tell you without a doubt that those motors still work for a successful P Limited racing program.

Yup.. BUT, how many of the originally listed motors are still in Production? I can tell you first hand that the part numbers for the Dynamite motors are the ONLY thing that's the same.

Need to dump the lists, part numbers, and extraneous nonsense, and simplify the allowance to be inclusive, but sufficiently restrictive.

In my humble opinion, anyhow.

[Greg Schweers]

This rule change would only affect the Nationals. Even if you had a 1415 at the Nationals, it doesn't mean anything. Dave Newland has proven several times that consistency wins way more races. Let's say Darin shows up at our club race with a 1415, and he laps everybody. At the end of the day, we'd have a vote, and that motor wouldn't be allowed - simple. When people think this motor will drive away racers, they're not thinking - you can do whatever you want at club level. If I did go to the nationals, I would have 2 or 3 1415s, because I can't do the consistency thing. It bugs the crap out of me if someone has a faster boat than mine.

[robstercraws]

All this talk makes our club look extremely laid back. We allow anyone to race any boat, as long as it fits the basic hull design and even at that we bend to accommodate, cats and monos to run together. Heck there is a kid building a JAE 33 and we’re gonna let him run 6s with the p-spec 4s guys and no one cares. I guess my point is that we like to let everyone play and winning isn’t what draws new members. Our club has grown significantly in the past few years because of this. Guys up north come down and run with us because it’s a fun place to play and race. Winning isn’t everything. These are just toys and it’s just a hobby and this is just my opinion.

[Rookieboater]

The smart thing would to let the Board of Directors (in NAMBA) make changes to the motor list based on the existing rules rather than it be a membership vote. They could discuss it and inspect any new motors wanting to make the list and vote it in. The could consult some smart people and get all the info needed. Vote in a new motor and put it on the list. The BOD could do it once a year and we could have a new motor list each and every year based on our current rules.
I understand wanting to make sure we have "motors' available but our most popular form of power in NAMBA is GAS and it is based on one motor manufacture. The most popular stock class is based off one motor manufacture. Our most popular nitro OPC class is based off of one motor. Most popular electric classes are based off a few motors and yet here we are discussing the option of opening it up. I don't see this going well.
Its true that the same guys will eventually rise to the top and that one new hot motor will eventually be in the hands of everyone, but at what cost? A new motor $250.00, a new speed control to harness all that power $250.00 dollars, a new prop to handle all that power, $50.00. and what have we really accomplished..................

Im lucky, if I get tired and frustrated with a new rule I can just move on to a different class and a different power plant. I race all three disciplines. but for some the price of spec will probably increase too much. BTW the best way to increase participation is to have spec classes that are affordable.

Just a simple mans opinion.

[Doug Smock]

Need to dump the lists, part numbers, and extraneous nonsense, and simplify the allowance to be inclusive, but sufficiently restrictive.

And we will when we need to. Everyone was happy at the end of last season in our GP Series and wanted to continue to dance with the lady that brought them. When they see a change is needed they'll look for a new dance partner. Hopefully by then the noise has stopped and we'll fall in line.

[Darin Jordan]

Doug, IMPBA is on a different situation than NAMBA. We have rules on the books to consider.

Rules that, as written, really can't be consistently enforced.

[Doug Smock]

I get it. I guess I put this in the wrong forum. I'll just sit back and take notes.

[Darin Jordan]

Haha... no. I stuck my nose in where I probably shouldn't have.

[Doug Smock]

Haha... no. I stuck my nose in where I probably shouldn't have.

No man it's all good!!

We're all brothers from different mothers..


Except Doby, don't know what happened there..

[Doby]

You realize I can hear you.............. Closest thing to a middle finger I could find!

[Doug Smock]

You realize I can hear you.............. Closest thing to a middle finger I could find!

Love ya buddy. Don needs you in Atlanta! When are you coming?

[dethow]

If the spec isn't at least 36.3mm x 60mm (60.2 for tolerance ), then this is a lost exercise.

The numbers were chosen to be INCLUSIVE, not so restrictive that nothing would fit.

The 36x50 motors are a substantial drop off. I don't consider those an option.

Darin, I am kinda laughing right now. Why 36.3mm diameter? Why not 36.2mm (for tolerance)?
Wait...I know the answer... because Dynamite motors are 36.3mm. Just teasing you a little Darin

Well at least that may be the silver bullet to get rid of the Neu motors. They are 36.5mm diameter. They are consistent there.
Not going to stop a TP 3640 from getting stuffed into a shorter can thou.

I don't think 36x50 motors were brought into this conversation by anyone... so don't know why that WOULD be considered an option.

37mm x 62mm max - out of past, present and future RTR boats is inclusive enough and will manage itself. It will change and evolve over time.

Outside of that... just let me know and I'll start making calls and have as much sh*t as I can stuffed in your can limit.

If I don't do it... someone else will. And others will follow. Before you know it people are buyer RTR boats and made to feel that now they need to go spend $250 on a new motor to be able to compete. That's what I think you guys have not factored into this simple dimensions rule set.

And is it a simple dimension rule set if we're talking about creating a list of motors that aren't allowed at club levels because of unfair advantage, but then allowing them at national events. Sorry guys just doesn't make much sense.

[Doby]

Love ya buddy. Don needs you in Atlanta! When are you coming?

Not in the cards this year...hoping to see you two knuckle heads in Michigan though.

[Darin Jordan]

Sigh...

David, the dimensions I discuss have little to do with what Dynamite might or might not be. The simply come about as,a result of having researched and ordered and tested every motor I could find out there that might be considered close to the existing spec motors. Shouldn't need to rehash this. I've posted all the data on OSE previously. No other motive other than to get to the truth of real data.

Keep in mind that the rules have to actually incorporate motors that are actually generally available. When you start looking, you'll find there aren't as many available in proper KVS as you might think.

If I can find my data table with my measurements, I'll post it.

It was known all along that the max would be found. That's the nature of racers. Seems we can accept a 1412, but 1415 is too far.

I think that's a good place to start.

Oh, and you'd better go research your RTRs. Not many actually coming with 36mm motors. A few, but adding the RTR part isn't an inclusive solution.

I know the dimensional spec works. Just have to agree on the limits.