looks like torque roll causing this?

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  • JPriami
    N4FOX
    • Aug 2010
    • 1675

    #31
    This mornings test was a little inconclusive. First few mins of it looked better. The boat wasn't chining as much. I was able to hold WOT and make some decent passes. Then noticed the boat wasnt tracking straight and had to adjust the rudder trim to fix( I'm guessing because the force exserted on the hull isn't in the center line of the hull). After that it seemed to want to torque roll over on it side worse at low/mid speeds. But would still go ok at wot. Then there was a drive line failure. at first i thought it was lvc. But the boat wasn't moving. Then thought I lost a prop because i could still steer the boat. Sent out the rescue boat to get her back. Found out the collet started to slip on the shaft. It was pretty tight in there too odd how it lost the bite.
    I think I'm going to move the strut & stuffing tube back over to center of the hull but keep it up a bit from the stock location.
    Gps recorded 55.4mph on this run.
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    • Fluid
      Fast and Furious
      • Apr 2007
      • 8012

      #32
      Ive also heard that moving it up will cause problems because not as much water will be getting to the prop.
      That statement was made by someone who does not have much experience with surface drive setups and has a poor understanding of them. Right now the hull is riding too high because it is riding largely on the prop. To settle the hull down into the water to reduce chine walk you need to raise the prop. The hull will ride lower but plenty of water will still get to the prop. Heck, the whole idea is to reduce the amount of water going to the prop!

      Sorry you are getting wore out by the Spartan, but it is sometimes difficult ot impossible to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.


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      • JPriami
        N4FOX
        • Aug 2010
        • 1675

        #33
        That's true Jay about turning it into something it not. I just want it to at least be a better one that how it came. I'm not giving up yet. But I know in the end it won't be a gem. Just better. Btw thanks for the help.

        Honestly im ready to start my next project (just want to finish this one up first). Building a cat little larger than the one i have now with twins.
        Land, Sea & Air, A true RC Addict.

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        • Greg Schweers
          GREG SCHWEERS
          • Oct 2007
          • 92

          #34
          The next thing I would try - bending the outside corners down on the trim tabs a little bit to see if that helps. For an example: I ran my new Insame mono last week for the first time, and I also ran the stub shaft .400 thousanths above the bottom of the boat. I always backcut the props on my mono. With the first set of batteries I ran, the boat was chime-walking really bad. The next set of batteries, I turned the outside screw on the righthand trim tab down a 1/16" and the boat was perfect. The only time I've ever run the strut level with the bottom of the boat was in N-1 class, because you want the boat to run as loose as possible. All the guys in our club that run the SV-27 bend the trim tabs down in the corners to help limit chime-walking.

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          • JPriami
            N4FOX
            • Aug 2010
            • 1675

            #35
            That's a good tip. And trust me I tried that first. No dice. I've also tried various configs on battery and weight placement. I've gotten real close but in the end it will chine at WOT to some degree. I have gotten it to go away but only with the help of water conditions. it was med chop those times. I want it to be versatile and still run all out on smooth water as well as chop.

            Okay i just re-read what u said. U bent the outside corners of the trim tabs down? I haven't tried that. Or are you reffering to adjusting them down with the set screw?
            Land, Sea & Air, A true RC Addict.

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            • Brushless55
              Creator
              • Oct 2008
              • 9488

              #36
              Originally posted by Greg Schweers
              The next thing I would try - bending the outside corners down on the trim tabs a little bit to see if that helps. For an example: I ran my new Insame mono last week for the first time, and I also ran the stub shaft .400 thousanths above the bottom of the boat. I always backcut the props on my mono. With the first set of batteries I ran, the boat was chime-walking really bad. The next set of batteries, I turned the outside screw on the righthand trim tab down a 1/16" and the boat was perfect. The only time I've ever run the strut level with the bottom of the boat was in N-1 class, because you want the boat to run as loose as possible. All the guys in our club that run the SV-27 bend the trim tabs down in the corners to help limit chime-walking.
              can you post a picture?
              I'm trying to follow what you did
              thanks
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              • Greg Schweers
                GREG SCHWEERS
                • Oct 2007
                • 92

                #37
                I don't have a picture, but if you pm Darin, I'm sure he has a pic of his SV-27 with this done to it. You just bend the corner of the trim tab on a 45 degree angle, probably about 5/16" in, using a pair of pliers.

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                • JPriami
                  N4FOX
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 1675

                  #38
                  moved back over towards center but still a little higher than stock.

                  Last edited by JPriami; 03-29-2011, 07:06 PM.
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                  • chummer
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 636

                    #39
                    Here is Darrin's pic. This is what Greg is trying to describe. However, I think you will have to move the trim tabs inwards a little to take advantage of this.
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                    • JPriami
                      N4FOX
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 1675

                      #40
                      moved it back but up 1/8 from stock location. hope I can test it soon. covered up with work lately

                      Last edited by JPriami; 03-29-2011, 07:06 PM.
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                      • Brushless55
                        Creator
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 9488

                        #41
                        Oh man!
                        I totally forgot about what your trying here.. let us know how it works man!!
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                        • JPriami
                          N4FOX
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1675

                          #42
                          Ive been busy with work, and in the hospital one day and down over the weekend. now back busy with work.
                          Land, Sea & Air, A true RC Addict.

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                          • Brushless55
                            Creator
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 9488

                            #43
                            Originally posted by JPriami
                            Ive been busy with work, and in the hospital one day and down over the weekend. now back busy with work.

                            you ok??
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                            • JPriami
                              N4FOX
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1675

                              #44
                              Having kidney stone issues. My first time. Seems to be dragging along too. Might have to go back to see a doc.
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                              • Brushless55
                                Creator
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 9488

                                #45
                                Originally posted by JPriami
                                Having kidney stone issues. My first time. Seems to be dragging along too. Might have to go back to see a doc.
                                sorry to hear this!
                                I'll be praying for you
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