***NEW**** Pro Boat Voracity 36" Mono!!

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  • montymike
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 774

    #226
    Originally posted by Rafael_Lopez
    I advised a few posts backs about not having any headroom in the ESC for a another prop other than what it comes with or the ESC will over amp and shut down, not burn up.The ESC rating of 120a is 80% of the total Amperage rating which is typical of any ESC on the market. 80% is the maximum amount recommended for continuous current flow in the electronics/electrical industry. The amperage I see on that Watt meter is exactly what I saw through testing, nearing ESCs limit, and I doubt anyone has yet to see the ESC shut down. Seems like the ESC is working as I anticipated it would

    Listen to Darin regarding props. I said this previously too. A well worked prop will work better than a larger one or one with more pitch.

    Montymike, I'll work on updating our prop specs. The stock prop is definitely an equivelant to an x645, not a 445.
    ,thanks for the clarification. Quite a difference between a x445 and a x645 in amp draw all things = a x645 s&b would work fine was just confused on the spec.

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    • Darin Jordan
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2007
      • 8332

      #227
      Originally posted by paulfromtulsa
      Hey Darrin you say to put my leopard in the boat and use 6s. Wouldn't the stock motor be faster than the leopard cause its 1650kv? The Leopard might run cooler but I'm not having heat issues.
      There is so much more to power than just KV... All that is is "how fast are you pedaling".... Lance Armstrong and I could both be pedaling on the flats at 100 rev/min... How fast we are both still pedaling when we hit that hill is what makes the real difference...

      I don't pay attention much to the Leopard or other similar type motors, but I'm thinking that that 4082 of yours is looks to be almost exactly the same specs as the stock motor. If they are the same pole count (4-pole??), then the actual KV ratings are probably the same. The diameter and length are the same. I don't think I'd expect any performance increase.

      I'd upgrade the ESC and cooling, perhaps, and then you can start playing with props. Going to 8S, in either case, would be suicide for a 1600-1650KV motor... especially an "average quality" one.
      Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
      "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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      • paulfromtulsa
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2013
        • 211

        #228
        Originally posted by Rafael_Lopez
        I advised a few posts backs about not having any headroom in the ESC for a another prop other than what it comes with or the ESC will over amp and shut down, not burn up.The ESC rating of 120a is 80% of the total Amperage rating which is typical of any ESC on the market. 80% is the maximum amount recommended for continuous current flow in the electronics/electrical industry. The amperage I see on that Watt meter is exactly what I saw through testing, nearing ESCs limit, and I doubt anyone has yet to see the ESC shut down. Seems like the ESC is working as I anticipated it would

        Listen to Darin regarding props. I said this previously too. A well worked prop will work better than a larger one or one with more pitch.

        Montymike, I'll work on updating our prop specs. The stock prop is definitely an equivelant to an x645, not a 445.
        rafael i am correct by saying that the specs listed for the stock prop online is wrong? on proboats site it says its a 1.4 pitch and 2.478 total pitch? just want to clarify. thanks

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        • montymike
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 774

          #229
          Has Any one tried this boat on 3.5° timing to see if it draws less amps?

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          • Rafael_Lopez
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2015
            • 470

            #230
            The motor in the veracity is a six pole motor. If you change the motor to a 4 pole motor you will gain some RPM but you will lose the torque. This is typical and motors made by the same manufacturer, with the same stater and rotor specifications; except for the difference of magnets count on the rotor.
            Rafael Lopez
            Product Developer-Pro Boat
            My Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010183246751

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            • kfxguy
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Oct 2013
              • 8750

              #231
              Originally posted by paulfromtulsa
              How do you guys think the voracity would do on 8s? I have an extra leopard 4082 1600kv motor laying around so I thought I might buy a swordfish 200amp pro esc and pair it with the leopard motor and run 8s. Thoughts ?
              I think that would be a step backwards. The stock motor is a 4082 but has 6 poles. More tq.
              32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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              • kfxguy
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Oct 2013
                • 8750

                #232
                Blah. Raphael beat me to it by one minute. Lol
                32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                • kfxguy
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 8750

                  #233
                  Originally posted by montymike
                  Has Any one tried this boat on 3.5° timing to see if it draws less amps?
                  Ummm. I wouldn't chance it with the stock Esc.
                  32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                  • montymike
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 774

                    #234
                    Originally posted by kfxguy
                    Ummm. I wouldn't chance it with the stock Esc.
                    So did u get your boat ?if so what are the results? I'm still . On the fence .

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                    • paulfromtulsa
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 211

                      #235
                      Originally posted by kfxguy
                      Ummm. I wouldn't chance it with the stock Esc.
                      how would running less timing hurt the esc?

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                      • Darin Jordan
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 8332

                        #236
                        Originally posted by paulfromtulsa
                        how would running less timing hurt the esc?

                        It won't... I think that kfxguy didn't realize that you were indicating a cutting in half of the factory 7-degree timing...
                        Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                        "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                        • arrover
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2015
                          • 322

                          #237
                          So far I have been able to hit 48.7mph with the stock, unaltered prop. My particular stock prop looks to be a little less than perfect. Instead of working on it, I decided to sharpen and balance a x645 which Rafael has said is equivalent to the stocker. This morning the boat ran 51.0mph with the x645. I also ran an x642 and it was significantly slower. I freely admit that I'm brand new to working on props and choosing them. I'm just learning and having fun. The boat seems to be running a little wet maybe even with the batteries all the way back and the tabs neutral. I still haven't touched the tabs or the strut.
                          ProBoat Zelos 36 Twin, Voracity 36, Impulse 31, Stealthwake 23, and HobbyKing Flowmaster Videos

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                          • Darin Jordan
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 8332

                            #238
                            Originally posted by arrover
                            The boat seems to be running a little wet maybe even with the batteries all the way back and the tabs neutral. I still haven't touched the tabs or the strut.
                            Can you tell people what batteries you are running (Size/mAh)??

                            I too found that, running 6000mAh 3S packs, that it can get a little wet... Which isn't really bad once the water gets torn up a bit...

                            One of the BEAUTIFUL things about this boat is that it can be run pretty hard in REAL water conditions... In other words... it doesn't have to be glass to get 45+ out of it while lapping around the pond...

                            Really an ideal "fun" size!
                            Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                            "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                            • Rafael_Lopez
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 470

                              #239
                              Originally posted by arrover
                              So far I have been able to hit 48.7mph with the stock, unaltered prop. My particular stock prop looks to be a little less than perfect. Instead of working on it, I decided to sharpen and balance a x645 which Rafael has said is equivalent to the stocker. This morning the boat ran 51.0mph with the x645. I also ran an x642 and it was significantly slower. I freely admit that I'm brand new to working on props and choosing them. I'm just learning and having fun. The boat seems to be running a little wet maybe even with the batteries all the way back and the tabs neutral. I still haven't touched the tabs or the strut.
                              There is enough play between the strut and the stuffing tube to give you a max of 2* positive or negative angle without having to bend the stuffing tube or kinking the flex shaft. I run mine with as much positive as I can get. I like it to run a lose as possible.

                              Also if your prop is damaged, please call our Product Support line to get a replacement.
                              Last edited by Rafael_Lopez; 08-18-2015, 05:40 PM.
                              Rafael Lopez
                              Product Developer-Pro Boat
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                              • arrover
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2015
                                • 322

                                #240
                                You're awesome Rafael. Thanks for the offer but I'm not to concerned with the 1.3 mph out of that particular prop. It's probably the boat set-up anyway. I really do appreciate that though.

                                Yes, I may "trim it up" a hair and see what happens. My batteries are 5000mah 3S packs so I'm thinking they are a pretty standard size.
                                ProBoat Zelos 36 Twin, Voracity 36, Impulse 31, Stealthwake 23, and HobbyKing Flowmaster Videos

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