Your MG that started off as a hull

[srislash]

Hehehehe

[jasoncyclone]

That's what I was beginning to think.We were on here last night my time,they had posts all night and still now.I see a crash coming on.
Oh,hey,Jason.I picked up another 1515 today with MM ESC for $160.Think it'll power this 37" Cat

And Mac,I think the 150 rudder that I have is gonna be a bit much.I may be cutting her down.

Hey Shawn,
What esc did you get? the 1515 will move the 37 cat pretty well but not nearly as well as our MG! A pair of 1515 in the 37 would be crazy fast! I have a t600 that would push it ok... Can you send me your address and paypal info so I can get the MG shipped out this weekend. Can you still run up in BC this time of year?

[srislash]

We had a bit of snow a week and a half ago.It was freezing pretty good for that week.The lake I like to run at was still half frozen last week,not sure how it is now.We've been at 6-10 degrees celsius for a week now.The last vid of the mono stuffing was at that lake.Hoping to get out this weekend as it is supposed to be nice.I just completely rebuilt the 1717 Delta Force,the Shocker is ready with bigger props and batteries,and of course the little Miss is good to go.Just wanna buy a better camera to film with.
I just got the Mamba Monster ESC with the motor.As far as the 37" cat,I've got another 1717 or maybe I should put both of those in there.Hehe
I'll PM ya

[macdon]

Do you ever sleep Macdon???

Hmmm......... what is that? hahahahaha!

[jasoncyclone]

Hmmm......... what is that? hahahahaha!

LOL!!!! You guys are funny!

[jasoncyclone]

Hey Shawn, is the 1717 alot stronger than the 1515? My vids were done with a small Sony Bloggie $130 eBay camera. Not the best camera but if I drop it in the lake I won't be out tons of cash. Says it does hd vids and does 8mp still shots!

[macdon]

And Mac,I think the 150 rudder that I have is gonna be a bit much.I may be cutting her down.

What parameters are you guys following when getting rudders for your boats? I read online that rudder lengths should be about 15% of the boat's length. From there, I look for anything that is close to that measurement.
Im afraid I dont know also what to look for if/when a rudder is too long or too short.

Lastly, any difference between a rudder placed near or further away from the transom?

[srislash]

What parameters are you guys following when getting rudders for your boats? I read online that rudder lengths should be about 15% of the boat's length. From there, I look for anything that is close to that measurement.
Im afraid I dont know also what to look for if/when a rudder is too long or too short.

Lastly, any difference between a rudder placed near or further away from the transom?

I have heard something about 15% but I went with the advice method.Tiqueman was having turning issues with a 115mm rudder.So I went bigger I can always cut mine down.

And boy this rudder placement thing,I better get playing with Missy as she is adjustable.I hear lots of talk about it but no tests.Nobody has tried it.They've got answers for struts but not rudders.Remind me to make another steering rod to take to the lake.

[srislash]

Hey Shawn, is the 1717 alot stronger than the 1515? My vids were done with a small Sony Bloggie $130 eBay camera. Not the best camera but if I drop it in the lake I won't be out tons of cash. Says it does hd vids and does 8mp still shots!

The 1717 is a beast for it's size.It's a real workhorse.I was kidding about twin 1717's in the 37" cat.They would probably push a 45"-48" hull with 50mm props.
On a cam I just want a zoom for the across the lake.The Contour sucks at distance so I guess it'll be a ride along.

[jasoncyclone]

As far as rudders goes, I read that cats turn better with a rudder closer to the hull and mono's do better with longer rudders. I played around with rudders on one of my gas cats and found the closer to the transom on a cat the better it handled in the corners.

[macdon]

As far as rudders goes, I read that cats turn better with a rudder closer to the hull and mono's do better with longer rudders. I played around with rudders on one of my gas cats and found the closer to the transom on a cat the better it handled in the corners.

Now, thats what Im talking about - thanks for sharing Jason!

Just to clarify what you said about the mono's - they do better with longer rudders (vertical) or you meant longer brackets (horizontal) away from the transom?

[jasoncyclone]

Now, thats what Im talking about - thanks for sharing Jason!

Just to clarify what you said about the mono's - they do better with longer rudders (vertical) or you meant longer brackets (horizontal) away from the transom?

On monos you want longer horizantal brackets. The depth of the rudder will be about the same with a 45 mono and a 45 cat.

[macdon]

On monos you want longer horizantal brackets. The depth of the rudder will be about the same with a 45 mono and a 45 cat.

Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying Jason!

Okay, so if a shorter rudder bracket is used so its closer to the transom and placed offset to the right - would there be any repercussions if the prop is inline with either the leading edge or trailing edge of the rudder? Or would it matter at all?

Shawn - in your twin CF cat, if you placed a line between your 2 props - would that line be closer to the leading edge or trailing edge of your rudder? I really dont know if this is something I should consider or maybe its just time for me to go to bed! hahahaha!

Okay, so I bought the 140mm rudder with short bracket in ebay - now I will be looking for a strut. Something that would have more room to be adjusted up or down. Did you guys upgrade the strut of your Genesis?
Also, the typical 4mm flex shaft may not be advisable for this 37" Cat - so would a 3/16" flex be advisable?

[jasoncyclone]

I'm not sure about inline rudders. I don't have anything with an inline rudder.

[srislash]

I would say the trailing edge of my props is at the leading edge of my rudder.
There you go Jason,so the cats handle better thinking they are shorter.That's how it was explained to me in regards to the mono's having a longer bracket.It gentled out the turns.