Whos making these wire drive coupling systems?

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And remember the power to weight ratio of a real unlimited is about 5:1. So its quite obvious that some of us think that power matters to go fast. Being alone here in that idea is pretty funny in itself I'd have to say.

Regards
Hubert

[Ch.Lucas]

Hi,
I don't want to set a world record for model hydroplanes. I built my boats for myself, not for competitions. You asked what kind of boat I would take for such a record and I gave you the Winston Eagel Lobster.
I have no more ambitions for this class. And hey. The Russians fly with their ekranoplanes just above the water surface at 500-600 km / h as fast as Ken Warby in the Spirit of Australia. The Russians can take the whole family and friends with them and party. And they don't freak either. Do you notice the difference.

Happy Amps Christian

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The problem is this isnt about you setting a record look where you are at Chris. Im challenging your theory on this an youre talking about your quest. Do you see the difference. Then understand if its this thing youre talking about. It looks like it took at least 8 turbines to go only 54 per hour faster.That really isnt impressive but again it simply speaks to my assertion about power. The soviet family has no speed record so it a very nice suv.

The fact you made a suggestion of a boat designed by someone else is cool. Thanks, but evertything about the construction parts and the mods will be mine. None of that has anything to do with you. You wont be driving it and not a single part in it will be paid for or comes from u But here again what part of intelligent discussion about aerodynamics is this ugly way?Think clearly dont be a Rene. You made a suggestion of a hull to a friend so now I cannot have my own mind about aerodynamics and use it accordingly to analyze a hull. Really! This idea certainly wont work. U also dont have to chase a record to show something works especially if you get an attitude about it not being accepted as viable for a particular quest. That's fair in my book. I promise you you will see my theories run win lose or draw. This what actually gives onlookers the opportunity to call trash or not. The pictures out of the books are nice nevertheless but you cant run photos.

The technical discussion gets lost with all this other "stuff" so if you cant truly handle a difference of opinion and work through them in an intelligent way or discussion we dont need to talk about it anymore. I dont need to have an aneurysm about any of it. You see I dont need to use what I've done or anything I've shared with you in the other direction to qualify myself. I'm 49 years old and plan to act like it at all times on this forum.

Regards,
Hubert

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What I expect is something like this. "no Hubert Jorgs boat does not have more lift because......." but look what you got there online. Is it valuable. Is it the right way to do things?

Think about it.

[Ch.Lucas]

Hi,
okay, let's see what kind of boat you will build and what motor you will use. Then show how fast the boat with cells available in the USA got at an event in the USA. When the boat reaches 90 mph, we talk about better batteries, if they are available at all. Even now if we wanted fresh, really powerful battery cells are not available. Corona Virus has made this totally impossible at the moment. So sit down and see that you set up the hydroplane and do the first test drives without flip.
The hint to the Ekranoplanen was meant that you can definitely build a hydroplane that never flips. But it will look like an ecranoplane. The Winston Eagle Lobster has all the genes, which is why I suggested it as the best boat for the project.

And no J?rgs boat has less lift as tehy have a very narrow middle section hull and a very forward lokated c.g. and the boat workes like a Ekranoplane .

Happy Amps Christian

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I'm done here now Christian the ad hominem to win a discussion was shocking!!!! and took me long ago. This is your thread now you take it. I wont allow myself to fall into an abyss. It doesn't matter anymore. I still have a good argument about shapes in general and lift. But I will not share it. You win you are your own master. I've decided I cant use this kind of help so Ill work with people that understand that we may not agree on theory but we wont try to publicly humiliate one another. This "thang" u got going on all of a sudden is not for me I cannot accept being slapped in my face so to speak. Very upsetting but I wont return such love. I think if you closely read the beginning of this thread and then your end it appears Im very confused at who my real friends are so I better take a self evaluation and put my self in check. This wasn't a positive experience for me here with you in front of Tyler. And how long have I know u and uve been saying you were my guy. I thought we could build but hey its not possible if Im not a robot without question. Next time you visit just pack the boat. Ill just take the challenge mostly alone for fear any success I have someone else tries to claim it was because of them that good things happened for me. I doubt everyone here thinks the argument I bring totally insane. If it has no lift how does it get out of the water u mean to tell me hes flying over the water without lift and the prop does not lift as well then OK Ill just leave it to you u are the aerospace engineer. The boats are FLYING across the water but have no lift. That's a helluva idea to wrap a head around. But like you say what do I know? To a dummys eyes like me it might look like his boat skis on the water with more lift in the rear that keeps the sponsons down in the front because the lift is aft of the CG. If I have a ruler balanced on my finger and I simply push up on one end of the ruler I guess only genius knows what happens on the other side of the balance point. The longer the boat the and the further back the lift is from the cg the more leverage he has on the sponson pressure on the water from there its just a matter of adjusting the cg point and where the lift is focused on the hull but that's all just foolish theory. The other thing a dummy like me might consider is how fast that happens the closer the lift is toward the cg the more responsive it will be to the lift but the lever is shorter there also.

Im just a lowly EE I dont know anything and have never been exposed to high level math or physics in my life. Im just a liar as you know.I cannot do it because I don't feel like being talked to they way you already have to discuss aerodynamics. That's that kiddy stuff I do not have time for. Aint no need for me to stay here if I cannot talk about about the technical aspects of a boat in a sane manner. All that was nutz. "Pond" metrics are the same ones the okon inspired speed pilots use on you in Germany. Now friend when that was happening where was I? What corner? Whos fought that fight with you for the last what 7 to 8 years. Now Today on what day you want to come to my land where Im from and diss me in front of my peers. That ain't going to work. I'm a genius when it works for you then im a newbie when it dont. That's fine man. Im good with it. I gotta go. My 81 year old mother who I love knows our real history and suggest after me showing her this just leaving you alone because you really showed a different hue today. And Im just trying to share new things ive done or learned in my time away from rc boating. What you did wasn't even close to being a friend. You sure fooled me coz when we met you solicited me through pm I had zero idea who you were. Your 50 mph record.... I was like 12 years old in 83 and hadnt experienced a model boat till I was 16 Im 49 years old now so if know nothing about a boat coz I don't come to your race in Germany after 33 years of playing with them I have to be a total idiot. That's what you basically said in a round about way so ill accept the title and go on about my business. That's how ridiculous that is for me personally as a metric of "my" ability not yours.

God bless you.
Hubert

[NativePaul]

Hubert I see that on page 2 you posted a picture of the Winston Eagle Lobster and said that you would be competing in scale and sport classes. I will caveat the following statement by saying that I am English, I have never competed in america, and have not read the IMPBA rules, I may be way off base here with nothing for you to worry about.

Please read the IMPBA scale and sport rules before building the boat, I have read the NAMBA rules and was shocked to see that a lot of it is done by formulas, you could use a shrink ray on the real Winston Eagle Lobster and it wouldn't even meet the sport hydro rules there, yet Insane make something that looks like a single boom twin motor rigger, but it meets the numbers and is a sport hydro. I am not trying to knock you or the boat, but you seem to be a very competitive person, and I would hate to see you put all the time effort and money into designing and building a beautiful scale hydro only to go to an event only to find that you are futilely trying to compete against Jorg's rigger.

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Hi Paul
Phil Thomas built one in epoxy glass and took some nitro record with it in IMPBA already it is a scale boat. But that's not the problem this supposed after thought relating to that boat is not an honest one. There was no in depth discussion about the hull of the lobsters lift. read it for yourself. The conversation was about Jorgs which he says has no lift. The he post the LUN and a proclamation about aerodynamics vs power. Let me tell you about this LUN and its lift and power HA! Firstly the LUN can climb to 19000 ft do I need to go any further? But I will. The 8 NK 87 produce 13 tons of thrust each and the LUN can lift 380 tons. No power huh? Then it cannot skim the water this way with out a pilot a vtail and wings with active surfaces. This is a plane people not a boat and who says it cannot flip when it can climb to 19000 ft? Now Im an idiot but tell me how this correlates to Jorgs boat THE ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT having no lift? Do you see the difference. A ground effect on this plane means a modifying the wings lift properties at low altitude. My boats will all be legal and the Lobster isn't the only one i have as my friend knows. If my friend is telling all about the LUN why is it in the same breath of conversation as Jorgs boat. Now does the boat have lift or not because the LUN needs wings a airplane pilot and a bunch of lift manipulated in many places to remain stable. And then this all wasn't really invented in the east. You can look at the craft and do the chronological order and come up with the idea that it was nothing but a copy then expansion on Howard Hughes spruce goose. Now who here saw it and didn't think that already that considers them self genius? I'm dumb Paul but do you see the difference? I cannot use this plane to do anything. And I said it nicely so why would a "friend" that I just gave all world praise to hit me like I know zero about a boat or anything technical while at the same time knowing Im currently working with PhD some of which he referenced me to and some he did not after telling them that he was handing me the torch for my passion and intellect. To me what happened just now is similar to an emotional rape. U just violate me and our friendship because I technically challenge him In front of Tyler that's way wrong Paul. He hasn't know Tyler as long as hes been befriended to me. Nearly a decade now Paul we've been boys in separable in many respect with each other back or at least that's what I thought. If that was proper just because I said Tylers boat appears to be more aerodynamically neutral to me Why didn't you do that to me when we saw things differently. Because you knew that wasn't necessary no matter if you agree or not. I didn't talk to him like that i could say where is you 140 mph patch but I don't need to go there. I thought we could all be cool here, But im not free to think for myself so that's no fun at all. I'm already ready to get back outta boats. Lets just let it go Paul. I learned something today about people and that's always a good thing for self development. Ill be okay but I don't like or appreciate the metrics. Because it paints a public picture of me that I'm dumb an unintelligent. In front of a crowd its humiliating and thus discriminatory. It reads because I didnt come to his races for him to truly know my boats my opinions are def wrong and i have not a clue what I am talking about. I beg to differ but I wont volley on. I've clarity now so I'm in a much better position now. My understanding has to be greater because who doesn't know that in conceptual phases many engineers have vastly different opinions about what will work. If 83 is a metric I cant fit in coz I was a kid then Paul but that hardly make me an idiot some 37 years later. To me I feel now like I've been more of a fool the last 7 than the previous 30.

And see everything already twisted the Lobster is for scale not L8 or T hydro which is much less restricted class. Bye golly just bring a back up boat. Some of the guys in Gemany did see my PTSS45 run and purchased it immediately but no one tell you this. 1 video is all it took. Tried to get the AB prop too and I said no! The running boat was all castle power from here as well as the hull. Made here. The boat went easily over 70 mph in oval trim and I never even got close to WOT on the boat.

Regards
Hubert

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Here's the lobster boat by phil in epoxy glass right here Paul. It aint nothing but a thang.
He can talk junk I dont care Paul. I'm gonna have a real chance with my boat choice, motor selection, drive, and prop man.
I have a solid relationship with Phil and if I wanted I could buy the boat no issues. and what was i thinking I been down with AB over 30 years he can help me with setting up the boat if that was an issue. Hell be involved anyway. His leafs will be on there. I already have 2 really great props from him that might be applicable

Regards Hubert

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And so you see here another example FLYING!!!! See a youth in all his glory had a subscription to flying models and saw this plane thats like a boat too in some ways. The childs minds begins to dream. I have dreams too Paul. All kids do. It should be alright if I follow mine instead. U think they'd have an issue with a Lobster just imagine anything close to this getting in. True genius could apply an autonomous leveling system to a T4 or 4 wing Circus and not need to be so radical that u have a hard time with approval.

Regards
Hubert,

[Ch.Lucas]

Hi,
Hi,
first, where did I say that the JAGs rigger has no buoyancy?
second, you brought me into the forum because Tyler answers you. And the first ecranoplane would actually be constructed in such a way that they could not take off and fly like an airplane.
The Spruce Goose by Howard Hughes was constructed as an airplane and could not fly high due to lack of power and therefore only flew in the ground effect.
The speeds of the Hughes plane and the Ectranoplane are far apart. 160 km/h Spruce Goose to 580 km/h of the KM .

Yes , he is very complicated , i will think about to send his e-mails he send me his mom and dad .

Happy Amps Christian

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I didn't say it was the spruce goose i said it was Hughes spruce inspired and I still believe that inspired and I stand by that . Now lets not talk about Howard Huges and what he did as far as speed with less power. His H-1 was a great example. Is bouyancy lifting the rear of the boat Christian..... Why would you expect a big wooden propeller driven plane built almost 20 years earlier to run with with a craft with 104 pounds of thrust at its disposal? See this is where it gets nuts when you cannot see any point but your own.

You watch this model LUN okay and listen to what the man says about its tendency to fly when power or more speed is demanded . Yes you can work with that but how long will that take 10 years? Its till no boat. Every example I have viewed including the real one will do the same thing. The real one can climb to 19000 feet u dont find that a problem to be designated as a boat. When you add a prop and move the thrusts away it wont behave the same Christian. Like you waNt to see something i want to see the sailor who flies this at 200 just above the surface of the water. man with out a MCU that aint gone be easy. Im sorry but the boat is not designed to never take off it it was how could the know it could climb to 19000 ft. Lets be accurate I have never brought you into any Forum. I just told you we were here talking. You bring yourself. I don't carry you in my hands or throughout ur travels into cyberspace. Youre everywhere on your own and you have a right to be, but here again that's non tech stuff.

[NativePaul]

I agree, the tubs on JAGs riggers look like they have a fair chunk of lift on them. I've never seen one in the flesh, or even seen a photo of the bottom of one though, maybe Christian knows more than me. For an extreme example if the tub has a symetrical section with fences, it would still look like the flatish bottom lifting body that I am assuming it is, but it would be producing considerable downforce.

I hope you 2 are good enough friends to get past this, at the end of the day it is just playing with toy boats.

I don't want to hijack the thread,but as there are 3 other SAW racers here, Please could I direct you all to this thread SAWs Boat Brakes and pick your brains on the subject.

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Well Paul Im very stupid because I always thought if it took longer for the air to get over the top of an aerofoil than the bottom youd have lift and yes his Tub has that profile. Hard to ignore isnt it? Its equally hard to think that at launch the angle of attack on the rear t4 section of the hull that those rear ones dont help to lift the boat and put pressure on the the sponsons.


And what the complicated ones parents would say is yes probably so he wrote that but you judge our childs ability without knowing him. Our child is truly a genius as we had him tested. And so we found out our child had the reading comprehension of an 8 grader in the 2nd grade and truly is in the upper crust of highly intelligent people in this society but you mock him online as his friend. So write them and see what you get because they would not appreciate certain things like you never actually met him like you met Tyler so how do you tell our child he cannot build planes for instance. We've already saw him do it as a young child, His first cousin who is a pilot built planes with him and finished Suma cum laude at Saint Agustines college in Raleigh NC. His major was art . His conceptual skills we can measure up against anyone. We are college professors with upper level degrees his cousins mother, father, I and my husband. So we taught out kids to be intelligent independent thinkers and to not take anything unless they fully examined it themselves. These inquisitive children designed planes as kids on my fathers peninsulas. Was not the letter he wrote private though but your humiliation to our child was public? If you are friends you could have settle behind close doors but you didn't do that did you young man? How do u place limits on something you did not create? We raised our children that they can do anything their hearts desire with hard work and dedication. Why do you have the right to strip away through humiliation what we inspired in our child which was greatness as parents should do. What do you tell and expect for your children that we should not expect for our own? The man our son you treat like a boy online has dreamed of being everything from an astronaut to a marine biologist. You ever think about it u might see most ignorant people don't have such lofty goals and maybe he isnt quite the fool u make him out to be in front of your friends there.

God Bless you.
~his parents~

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Here is the response from PhD. Dr. Kanellis one of the fathers of the synchronous reluctance motor after I send u and him the photo of the 3 turn and my explanation with the multi-stranded 10 a 12 AWG coils.

"You are incredible. If you continue with this pace in calculations and hardware, you will have soon performed better than many researchers around the world.I wish you a lot of success!"

Konstantin Kanelis

Maybe he was just lying to be nice but that certainly is encouraging for someone DUMB! I bet in your emails to t u never included things like this about me. A doctorate opinion of the work Im doing with the motors.

The pilots over there in Germany are saying the winds are too complicated so why have I wound 4 while they on look this big dummy every single day I post. This includes scorpions Ralph Okon.

Is it a lie what i post here ChX? What did Ralph say to the high performance modelers on rc groups before I dissed him in loyalty to you. If you want the newest winding tech you have to come observe "this guys" work. they hated it so much they couldn't even say my name. "this guy" I have held the motor in wait allowing someone over there to actually get one would so we can really be talking about something. Ur friend has had 5 months and done nothing. I gave him all the blueprints.

Tell me who is the first person in hobby you saw attempt the DEECS wind? Tell me who in hobby has proposed direct passive cooling of the air gap via ferrofluid. What did they know about it there? When we started talking about water cooling who showed you first in hobby other than maybe yourself the cryogenic reaction in a kitchen lab? The stator was -29 degrees celcius. was it cool enuf? I can get it in a boat too all day.


Is this not the case? Christian? Are these things the ignorant do? Mercedes also pays me quite well to take care of their 2 million dollar paint robots. When I return Im going for E3 manager status there. This means they give me a Benz up to 180,000 and pay for all my gas for the rest of my life as long as I'm there. I was put on furlow and Amazon hired me the next day and pays me the same exact money. I have missed not a single check during covid 19. And Im living great.


Regards
Hubert.