New years resolution

[Darin Jordan]

I was kind of curious though - all you guy's that will burn up if you run one more lap - what happens when you jump the start? Oh and then there is that stupid bouy cut rule in NAMBA. You got to run laps. What happens when you cut a bouy or two. Automatic burn down?

Doug,

I think you are making assumptions... I don't recall many here saying anything about "burning up". My setups can easily go for 7 or 8 laps if I wanted to. However, what I did specifically mention was the power draw. If you go out 1-minute before the start of the race and start milling around, and I wait until 30-seconds, I've got a voltage level advantage on you and will have more power on the final lap than you do, all else being equal. I will also have a cooler system at the start of the race, which gives me another power advantage (motor/ESC heat equals higher Resistance equals less RPM) That's where my comment came about the advantage going to those who go out onto the course LAST.

Just clarifying... not arguing. You feel free to mill as long as you want. I'll catch up to you at the 30-second mark.

[DPeterson]

Darin -
Maybe "Burning up" is a little colorful. Been a lot of reference to equipment stressing over the one extra mill lap idea on this thread. So I am still curious.

I guess I will keep my set ups secret for now on. I don't experience all the issues you and others reference.

One New years resolution accomplished. Just a couple more to go.

[Darin Jordan]

I guess I will keep my set ups secret for now on. I don't experience all the issues you and others reference.

My setups don't have any "issues" to speak of. There is no way to get away from the fact that the longer you run, the less voltage you will have. That's not a setup issue, that's reality. :)

[Doby]

Doby - nice find. Do us a favor and read it a couple times. Just kidding.

I did, but I' confused..none of the courses I have raced on have ever had "check marks" and X's" on them.....

[T.S.Davis]

While milling you also have to keep upright, stay in contention, look out for spray and keep the motor running.

What's appealing about these to you Doug? Should we find a way to have our boats stall if they get hosed down? Would that make it more the "same" for the fossils?

Weeding out the unpracticed racers is going to make sure that they eventually go away and stop racing.................or...................they'l l get practice and be right next to you going into turn one which you don't want. For me, I don't want anyone giving up and not coming.

The turn descriptions are in the NAMBA rule book. 1 through 4. That's where I got it from. I know IMPBA is different. I think even Waters refers to them different than the book says. Think he calls them the left end and right end.

If I do 2 laps of mill
6 laps of race
1 lap for a cut
1 lap for a jump
1 lap of cool down (why do we call it that?)

That's 10 laps. We're getting into offshore lap counts now. Most of my boats would be fine. Accept LSH. I run a little light on mah at only 4400. No burn down. Just pissy cells. They would probably go a little blood sausage on me.

If we were required to be on plane at 1 minute then it would be closer to 11 or maybe even 12 laps in P/Q classes. That's just a waist of power IMO.

It's not really an equipment thing for me. It's more of a "I'm not interested" thing. I'm hearing all of the justifications for extra mill and they're not enough to convince me. That's all.

I've never trusted myself to watch that clock instead of my boat. I'll do something stupid trying to catch both. It's surely a learned skill.

Back to the "cool down" lap.......our systems are at their absolute hottest. Cells, motor, and speedo are at the very highest resistance they'll get to..................let's do one more lap at partial throttle because speed controllers love partial throttle. Sounds good!

[T.S.Davis]

That article is pretty good accept I doubt anyone is allowing a buoy to be picked up. We didn't at the nats. If you spun out it was okay but if you cut it you cut it. Move on.

[DPeterson]

Darin
Maybe my secret is better quality cells and more Mah on board.

Terry
I really am not understanding the heat issues with set ups. Sorry. My high end power set ups (N2 Mono and P Mono) come back even cooler than my P-Limiteds. Never seen one these come back over 90 degrees - even on a hot day. I wish I could relate but I can't. And not advocating for you to do more mills. In fact it looks as though I will fix the launch and start issues I have seen and experienced by inititating the 60 sec start - 30 sec no launch rule. I may run an extra lap and I may not. If it is a cold morning like it was out at London I will do a warm up lap. If I want to get a feel for my boat i may run an extra lap. If I want to get into another racers head I may pull a lap. Going to have a ton of fun. It s all good now.

[rayzerdesigns]

doug..as much as this is crazy..if you run an extra lap mill lap..no matter how slow or fast..the guy that didn't run that extra lap is going to have more speed/punch whatever ou want to call it..that is a fact..period..call it what you want, but the truth of it is that taking mah out is gonna slow you down..peiod..and as for heat..doesn't matter if its warm or cold water..there will be extra heat that builds up..maybe small..but as darin stated..heat..mah..gonna equal less power speed..period..as for my new years resolution..lets all just have fun..everyone is entitled their own opinion..be it right or wrong..some just believe they are never wrong..btw..lets race

[DPeterson]

Ray - Huh? What?

I will be running an extra mill many times and will not lose a race over it nor will I have equipment issues. Guarenteed!

Again - It appears I have found the crutch of the launch/start issues. Extra mill lap may not be needed.

Doug

[DPeterson]

Double post

[T.S.Davis]

Darin
I really am not understanding the heat issues with set ups.

That's hysterical Doug. The guy that has left limited racing entirely because of motor failures doesn't understand heat issues with setups. That's the funniest thing in this thread.

So a 30 second no launch does what? Does that mean they have to be on plane or just in the water? Pretty rare for our guys to still be on the shore at 28 seconds. Usually if the clock hits 30 everyone tosses in. By 20 seconds everyone has crested the turn one entrance pin. Usually.

[Darin Jordan]

Ray - Huh? What?

I will be running an extra mill many times and will not lose a race over it nor will I have equipment issues. Guarenteed!
Doug

Keep us posted on that... Carrying around an extra 1000 mAh will give you more run-time, and will keep the peak voltage up for a bit longer, BUT, the extra weight generates more heat in the system, as well as affects the handling of the boat. Extra heat = more resistance = less voltage THROUGH the system = fewer RPM... Sooner in the race...

It's definitely a balance.

[Darin Jordan]

To be back on topic a little,

Part of the reason that we went to a 30-second "Electric Start" clock was to help keep the heats flowing when mixed with the Nitro/Gas guys. 5-minutes is WAY too long.

With the 30-second clock, conscientious FE racers will be down in the "hot-pits", taped up and ready to go, right after the prior heat is started. After the Nitro/Gas heat is complete, once the course is ready, as soon as we are all there with our boats ready to launch, they can fire off the 30-second clock and we are off and racing.

THIS is what gained us happy acceptance into the Nitro/Gas races more than anything. The big fear from them was that the whole Tape-Up period and such would slow down their raceday. We've eliminated that concern.

[DPeterson]

LOL Terry. Now your yanking my chain.

I didn't leave P-Limited racing. The only failed set up I have ever had was the crappy batch of 2030's. Not running another one. Check the TP thread. Also check the IMPBA D4 thread. We going P-Limited Super Stock and not looking back.

30 Second no launch gives all the pit guys equal oppurtunity to launch the boat, walk back to the driver stand and then get set behind the driver before the race starts. More fair, more organized and more safe.

[DPeterson]

Darin

Keep us posted on that... Carrying around an extra 1000 mAh will give you more run-time

Been carring more Mah than needed since the start of Lipo. Been doing some of the extra mill since London Ontario about what 5 years ago.

It's old news.