N2 Classes

[Doug Smock]

Wow Wilmer some things never change do they?

I guess we (Chris and I) need to have "the talk" with you again.

Keep it on the surface please sir!

[Doby]

Perhaps we need a "race" class in each organization...sorry, couldn't resist...

"Race"...get it..."race class"....race boats.....get it now..

Can't believe it wasn't said before.

OK, back on topic............

[DPeterson]

Interesting - Reverse Profiling.

Here is what it boils down to. This hobby is made up of like 80% Sport Boaters, 15% Heat Racers and 5% Saw Guys. No disrespect intended for any Saw Guy's and their efforts, but when someone toots their horn, nobody really cares.

Want to toot your horn. Win a class at next years NAMBA Nationals in a class that has 32 or more entries. It will be well deserved. It will be a long shot, but I will be bringing my left over New Years Eve party horn just in case. :)

Carry on. Doug

[Darin Jordan]

Here is what it boils down to. This hobby is made up of like 80% Sport Boaters, 15% Heat Racers and 5% Saw Guys.

I'm going to have to disagree with that breakdown a tad... You are separating "SAW" guys as if that's ALL they do... Hardly the case.

I'd say 80/20 is correct, and that 5% of that 20 also participates in SAWs and Time-Trials. It's all RACING.

Being more honest about the breakdown, it's more likely, given the actual numbers, that there are 95% that are sport boaters, and 5% are "racers"... about 15% of those sport boaters also race. They are the ones usually trying to argue that we don't need well defined rules...

I totally agree with you about the "caring" part... 95% of the RC boating community wouldn't care... After all... their GPS's MAX SPEED says their modified RTR is faster anyhow...

I also totally agree with you about winning something, or even podiuming, at this next year's Nats... That is going to be some feat.

However, no one is really going to care about that one either... Well... 95% of them won't, anyhow...

[Peter A]

Hi Bill
I'm a white, middle aged, Self employed (overworked and just off broke)New Zealander. If I was able to take a trip to the US and could meet a few of the guys that are on this forum you would be on the list. Because of your boating and what I've seen of you. I don't care about your skin colour or any of that and if you feel that you have been unfairly treated that sux. If you have been unfairly treated then that's fair enough that you are PO about it. But to be fair you should be proud of your achievements and they don't come easy, it takes time and effort and it is okay to have a speciality that you know well and do well in. It is a shame there are narrow minded people out there.
Carry on regardless!

Plenty of interest in N-1. N-1 aint hurtin' nobody except those that despise the fact that I do well in that class : )
Folks tend to forget thats not the ONLY class I've done or do well in.

Also, accusations, or insinuations that my pack voltages "Exceed" standards or that ANY of my SAW or race equipment is out of regulations is an insult to one's self and both sanctions, Definitely not me.
I find it interesting that all my recent IMPBA records have documented both start and finish voltage. All my motors are inspected for a MONTH before I can even see them after the event but you still question my voltage.

NAMBA techs ALL my equipment on the spot at SAW events. Not sure why all my stuff is so scrutinized so tough in both sanctions (Although I've got a strong idea), I've NEVER been found to have anything out of order in the 13years I've been racing.
I'm an open book and don't need any "unfair advantages" and that's NO discred to NAMBA. They don't tech me in any unesecary or unfair way down there at Legg and things run smooth. I don't blame anyone for a hardcore tech on a boat so tiny going so fast..

If you're gonna' bring ME up, bring up the TRUTH!!!

The truth is I dedicate myself to this stuff WAY more than most. I do well and go puzzlingly fast with boats BECAUSE I PRACTICE DAILY.
I'm up at 5:30am right now and most every morning waiting for the crack of dawn to run passes on glass to record data and guess what? It aint an N-1, or N-2 anything on my bench this morning..

"Cheap shots" at my accomplishments are only a means of discrediting my hard work and God given talent. It all reminds me of the old Black inventors like George Washington Carver, or the person who ACTUALLY discovered electricity.

Here's a SMALL list of things blacks invented, but never given cred for.

air conditioning unit: Frederick M. Jones; July 12, 1949
almanac: Benjamin Banneker; Approx 1791
auto cut-off switch: Granville T. Woods; January 1,1839
auto fishing devise: G. Cook; May 30, 1899
automatic gear shift: Richard Spikes; February 28, 1932
baby buggy: W.H. Richardson; June 18, 1899
bicycle frame: L.R. Johnson; Octber 10, 1899
biscuit cutter: A.P. Ashbourne; November 30, 1875
blood plasma bag: Charles Drew; Approx. 1945
cellular phone: Henry T. Sampson; July 6, 1971
chamber commode: T. Elkins; January 3, 1897
clothes dryer: G. T. Sampson; June 6, 1862
curtain rod: S. R. Scratton; November 30, 1889
curtain rod support: William S. Grant; August 4, 1896
door knob: O. Dorsey; December 10, 1878
door stop: O. Dorsey; December 10, 1878
dust pan: Lawrence P. Ray; August 3, 1897
egg beater: Willie Johnson; February 5, 1884
electric lampbulb: Lewis Latimer; March 21, 1882
elevator: Alexander Miles; October 11, 1867
eye protector: P. Johnson; November 2, 1880
fire escape ladder: J. W. Winters; May 7, 1878
fire extinguisher: T. Marshall; October 26, 1872
folding bed: L. C. Bailey; July 18, 1899

I've contributed TONS at SAW events, but its usually overshadowed, overlooked, or credit given to someone else that succeeded with a certain technique.
Fortunately, that is only in the small, close knit world of this forum, and FE racing. I've marketed myself in a way that the general public sees me for the hard work and dedication I put into the hobby : )


P.S. I bet you guys didn't know a black man invented the cell phone : )

[DPeterson]

Hey Darin - lets just agree that we have an anal-lytical difference. :)

Got a question about SAW rules. I was told that after a 2 way pass the boat had to be able to be driven back to shore in order to be a record. Otherwise how could any potential teching be applied? Not sure when I was told this - might have been at the German Saws. My only Saw experience. So how does the boat at the bottom of the lake qualify?

Sorry for the continued hi-jack Joe. But you didn't stop by the MN race to say hello.

Doug

[DPeterson]

Got a question about SAW rules. I was told that after a 2 way pass the boat had to be able to be driven back to shore in order to be a record. Otherwise how could any potential teching be applied? Not sure when I was told this - might have been at the German Saws. My only Saw experience. So how does the boat at the bottom of the lake qualify?

Hmmm - no answer? Is this a rule or not? Little surprised that this question killed the thread. No response leads me to believe maybe it is a rule and it isn't being followed. Thats not good.

[BILL OXIDEAN]

Hmmm - no answer? Is this a rule or not? Little surprised that this question killed the thread. No response leads me to believe maybe it is a rule and it isn't being followed. Thats not good.

Doug, you're asking "stir up the pot" "poke holes in our rules/procedures" style questions. No SAW participant will respond to them.
If you Really want to know how its done, ATTEND a SAW race. These exposure questions aren't helping, nor is the big voltage debate.

If you truly want to know the ropes, and make a positive contribution, show up to one. Spend the travel money, take time from work, dedicate yourself to some prep time and show. I guarantee all of your questions will be answered.

BTW my boat at the bottom of the pond had already gotten its records, was teched and valid. THE END.
Yes, we saw it hit 63 and it hit a goose just before the second pass light. That run unfortunately didn't make the books.
Are you satisfied? Have you rejoiced in the fact that my boat is gone enough? As I said, if you're concerned enough about our procedures to publicly
poke holes in our rules, one would think you may have enough interest to even show up to one.

[DPeterson]

Well Bill. Is it a rule or not? Simple question.

Been to the German Saws. I own a German Saw record. I don't go around tooting about it. Bores me.

I own a US heat racing P-mono record. I don't toot about it. Same thing - bores me.

Not responding to the question answers my question.

[Doug Smock]

No SAW participant will respond to them.

I would be glad to respond. I was asked a similar question before the Flint time trial.
I assumed this question was in regards to NAMBA so I sat on my hands.

[Chilli]

You seem to get bored easily Mr. Peterson. Maybe this will help...

http://www.namba.com/content/library/rules/namba_rulebook.pdf

[LuckyDuc]

Great........... I just spit coffee all over my keyboard. SOB!

[ray schrauwen]

What hull are you building for N2 Sport Hydro?? ML Boatworks?? Motor, esc??

Oh, and I'm building 3 new N2 boats for the nationals.

[ray schrauwen]

The 7s is about 5000kv but, I found the 6L and 7L much more fun and reliable on 2S than the shorter can. Pulled less amps if you propped conservatively. HK sells Feigao type 6L & 7L motors for about $30. I know there is a ROAR thing but, never care for those motors as the Feigao's were more forgiving to mistakes ( i make a few, lolol).

That's exactly what we did for a couple seasons. We limited can size and kv. Most were running around 5000kv. Like a Feigeo 7s......I think. Can't remember the exact motor that was popular. The old 24" Vipers are a scream on that power. Then guys just got tired of it. Not sure why that was. Now it's P Limited everything with a few psycho classes mixed in.

[T.S.Davis]

New TFL boats. Not sure they'll let me have the rigger. No testing on it yet.