Seven NEW NAMBA FE SAW Records set this weekend

[RaceMechaniX]

Is it me, or do the eyeballs on the little red boat look larger than normal.

I am sure they were right before this:Brian N2 Rigger crash.jpg

[properchopper]

They might be anticipating the current spike that's just about to occur on re-entry!

Yeah, isn't there some kind of rule about requiring the boats to actually be IN the water at some point in time ?

[Darin Jordan]

I am sure they were right before this:[ATTACH=CONFIG]72363[/ATTACH]

NICE SHOT!! Very cool, Tyler!

[TheShaughnessy]

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2) Tony's P-Ltd Offshore Record Holding Drifter Cat... Took this one to SHOW everyone what a very much UNBURNED Stator looks like, as well as to prove it was done using legal shrink, etc... In fact, I believe Tony pulled this motor right out of a box, new, put his connectors on it, and put it in the boat. Simply awesome what one can do with the proper tuning!
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Was it decided that the shrink is a mod and not allowed on the spec motor? I know Tony is generally an advocate for "blue printing" the motor.

[Darin Jordan]

Was it decided that the shrink is a mod and not allowed on the spec motor? I know Tony is generally an advocate for "blue printing" the motor.

Tony wasn't taking any chances. He put in a new motor, with factory shrink. Only shrink he added was over the new contacts. Pretty hard to make accusations of "cheating" with this setup...

[BILL OXIDEAN]

Not sure why my idea has been overlooked so much, but Why on earth are we using such low quality motors in a boat expecting to race all season with it, when theres a spec alternative in the same kv range and its already spec'd by ROAR?

the 8th scale motors from Novak, Thunder power and castle have replacable parts
externaly soldered wires, and replacable rotors

a rotor and bearings are much cheaper to replace than a whole cheap motor. This way guys would have something they can race season after season without melted wires getting in the way.

I've got an idea why SOME folks steiffel the idea (Darin not included because we have discussed this more than once and he agrees that these new 8th scale motors are cool)

I'll tell you what, our club is growing and I'm throwing the idea at Randy.
We're gonna' do our p-spec racing to include these ROAR spec motors. who cares if it dosen't match the NAMBA rules, we will have some fast, fun spec racing and guys won't get discouraged.

We had a new guy start racing, and never finished a heat behind melted connectors. This discouraged him like crazy, he actually dropped out. i'm not gonna let my club dwindle behind that.

In my opinion a pro-driver should be ashamed of himself to keep pushing cheap motors seeing all the problems, unfinished races and hoopla over a motor that is just that CHEAP.

Not me, the Devil Mountain water Boilers believe in racing with quality stuff that stands the demands of hardcore racing spec or not. I wouldn't care if the motor was made by one of my sponsors or not, if it had a problem that kept guys from finishing races, rather than promote, I would bring this to the company's attention and the issue with the motor would be addressed.

[T.S.Davis]

Wilmer, all that hoopla isn't out there.

Be careful with the finger pointing. It implies that SOMEONE is in someone elses pocket. Pisses off the volunteers that make racing happen. That's the kind of BS that made me retire from being NAMBA's FE representative. Dave wrote the current rule set for "limited". We ran it as a club as did others. Then I submitted it to NAMBA for approval with proof of concept to back it up. Your SOME statement is directed at Dave and myself.

If you want AQ and ProBoat to be replaced it's super easy to do. Get people to run what your proposing. Just like you suggested. Run it a club level. District level would be better but that kind of racing doesn't really exist. Prove the concept works. Then propose it. That's exactly how the current set was adopted. It was run everywhere. This is how the original LSH with 700 motors came into existance. Then LSO. All of them really.

As for the implication.......would it be a crime to support companies that have put more effort into boating than those other three companies combined? The car guys (ROAR?) have re-written their rule set multiple times to accomodate the manufacturers that support their hobby. Brushless stockers is a prime example. But if we do it it's a crime?

[BILL OXIDEAN]

Wilmer, all that hoopla isn't out there.

Be careful with the finger pointing. It implies that SOMEONE is in someone elses pocket. Pisses off the volunteers that make racing happen. That's the kind of BS that made me retire from being NAMBA's FE representative. Dave wrote the current rule set for "limited". We ran it as a club as did others. Then I submitted it to NAMBA for approval with proof of concept to back it up. Your SOME statement is directed at Dave and myself.

If you want AQ and ProBoat to be replaced it's super easy to do. Get people to run what your proposing. Just like you suggested. Run it a club level. District level would be better but that kind of racing doesn't really exist. Prove the concept works. Then propose it. That's exactly how the current set was adopted. It was run everywhere. This is how the original LSH with 700 motors came into existance. Then LSO. All of them really.

As for the implication.......would it be a crime to support companies that have put more effort into boating than those other three companies combined? The car guys (ROAR?) have re-written their rule set multiple times to accomodate the manufacturers that support their hobby. Brushless stockers is a prime example. But if we do it it's a crime?

No finger pointing here, just stating facts. If you're referring to Novak as far as supporting boat racing, Novak made marine speedos WAY before there was a pro-boat or aquacraft.

Both Novak and Tekin made some of the first marine speedos and at one time were some of the ONLY marine electronic speedos. Novak made some of the first electronic speed controlls period and innovated MANY of the features still used on them. Have you ever seen a Novak marine speedo? it was WAY ahead of its time. To imply they haven't supported boat racing on that basis is something I disagree with.

No hoopla? What are the 75 emails about gold motor connectors doing in my mailbox from the October SAWS?


We will be running quality motors in our district, anyone else wanting to run solid motors in that class are welcome to join us..
ROAR is doing MUCH better on attendance than any boat sanction. their rules seem to bring lots of new blood into racing. If you can say our sport is "thriving" since everyone has been using these motors, I will have to re ealuate many things.

I wish someone would directly address what I am asking.
WHY USE CHEAP MOTORS WHEN QUALITY SPEC MOTORS ARE AVAILABLE OF THE SAME KV AND WOULD BE CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN?

[Darin Jordan]

Bill... Here... I"ll try:

"WHY USE CHEAP MOTORS WHEN QUALITY SPEC MOTORS ARE AVAILABLE OF THE SAME KV AND WOULD BE CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN?"


The intended purpose of the P-Ltd class was not only to provide a "cheap" alternative to the normal P Class... but it was also to give a place for the popular RTR offerings to be raced, competitively, off the shelf. As such, basing the class around the motors that these boats are supplied with was an important part of that equation and is a foundation for the class. Opening those power systems up to other hulls seemed a natural allowance, and still fit the "spirit" of the class. I think that's why it's not called "spec", which would imply spec hulls, props, etc... (Like Spec SV27... one hull... one prop... etc.)... but rather "Limited", which indicates that the power choices are limited, not "spec'd"...

While I DO agree that the Novak, Thunder Power, Losi, Tekin, etc., 1/8th scale motors are cool, they really do already have a place to race... N2, P, and Q...

I also disagree that the list of P-Ltd motors are "cheap"... if you are referring to "cheaply built"... While it's true that they aren't of the Neu or Castle quality, they hold up just fine to a well-setup heat racing boat, and, frankly, do what they any other motor would do when pushed beyond it's limit.

As one of the original authors of the P-Ltd rules... or the foundation for them.... That's how I see it.


I didn't know that Novak made a marine controller??? What is the part number??? I'd like to see one.

[AlanN]

I ran novaks 20 years ago. They were JUNK!

Bill,
I could give you numerous facts about how the current regime in D.C. is ruining America but that's not what this thread is about.

The guy who melted his connectors would most likely melt ANY other connector. A club member should have taken the time to check the new guys setup before he ran.

Back to the threads topic now.

[BILL OXIDEAN]

I didn't know that Novak made a marine controller??? What is the part number??? I'd like to see one.[/QUOTE]

It was made many years ago but was really cool.
i'll send you a pic of one.

i remember being a teenager seeing it in the case at my local hobby shop wishing I could put it in my car lol!
They made a kit for the Novak 410 that was actually a clear plastic case that enclosed the speedo and plastic tubes that connected to a heat sink for water cooling.
-Trick.

Trinity also made a marine motor and a water cooling kit back in the day.

[BILL OXIDEAN]

Most everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally have had great success with Novak products and have rarely burned up speedos
we checked this guy's setup over and over.

No binding in the driveline, grimracer 42/55 prop, we even hardwired the connectors and it STILL came de-soldered time and time again.
Any class progresses and a solid motor that can accomidate growth this makes for a great spec class.

I've said what I have to say. I personally am tired of hearing about this shrink stuff and seeing melted connectors.
I'm a problem solver. when I keep seeing and hearing a problem I solve it :)

Good day fellas, I'm going back to my RC vacation.
I'm in So-Cal visiting various factories, race facilities and other fun stuff.

[T.S.Davis]

I've got an idea why SOME folks steiffel the idea.

Words mean stuff Wilmer. When you make a BULL*!***!***!***!** statement like that you better be planning to back it up. The problem with many of your ideas Wilmer is that SOME of us close our minds completely after you insult our integrity. Then you move on to a history lesson. Really? Your going to give ME a history lesson on FE?

I had a Novak 410. Wasn't marine. Wasn't in a boat either. It was a POS. But that was around 1995 ish. So 17 years ago. It in NO WAY represents Novak's products today. A representation of their boat products today would be..........NONE. This is not weird to me. The market is too small for them to really focus on. There is no ROI so why would they? Not because they are evil or because their products are crap. I don't think that. Tekin made a killer marine speedo. That company all but vanished from all markets. Again, why would they focus in on FE boats today? When "new guy" heads out to the store to buy a boat he can race right off the shelf, which one comes with a Novak motor?

Try this one last time. The process by which NAMBA rules are adjusted has been around since before me. Learn it, know it, love it, or hate it. I don't really care. But DO NOT bitch about the rules unless you're willing to do something about it.

[AndyKunz]

Wilmer,

The only reason I support brushless in P-Spec is because that's what you can get in an RTR nowadays. If I'd had my way the ESCs would have been spec'd for BL as well as the motors, and it sure wouldn't include the hyper-programmable ESCs that some manufacturer's produce.

If we change the motor rules, all you get is P all over again. The limited, inexpensive motors are why LSH was the most popular class at the Nats the very first year it was in the rule book. Go ahead and race what you want locally, that's the right process for trying to get the rules changed. But don't change the rules so that you end up with duplicate classes.

What really tickles me about the P Spec classes is that I still get people sending me their RC-Hydros.com ESCs for repair occasionally. Last week I replaced one that was probably built in 1999. (With a NIB V90-1032).

Andy

[sjslhill]

If we knew the pitch we can figure up how many rpm it takes to get this MPH, they are not letting that info out.....hum

71 out of a spec motor on 4s?? that is incredible. What kind of amps were u drawing? I know you probably wont let this out but will you share what the record breaking prop began its life as?? I know it's not a stock production prop but I'm thinking it started as one.

I'm about 17 mph off of your record. But with the pitch guage i just picked up from salir i hope to start getting into some cupping and adding pitch in and all that good stuff. Figure I'll ruin some props along the way, but that is just the learning curve right?