IMPBA’s new P-limited “spec” class rule proposal.

[Meniscus]

That's cool Doug P. No worries. I am gonna go back to where I started. The local college pond. That way I don't need to worry about whats going on. I have said my peace, I thought it was fair, but people on this site (not you), don't want ANY rules. They want it as open ended as possible. I know, because I had to deal with this in D12 last year. They felt restrictions limited the FE success against the nitro guys (we had to mix classes due to lack of FE guys showing up (go figure), and nothing was further from the truth. Half of the people fighting up here don't even race. They keyboard, and that's the sad part about all of it. The people that raced our district liked, and understood the rules, and had fun. But you always get a group that has not raced, yet feel they know more than anyone else. I got into RC for fun, not to argue over such petty stuff. 60amp controllers in a Tunnel are all you need. And just so you do know Doug, I don't think we are talking about anything other than tunnels. Monos can use other controllers as there is a need in that class. That may be where some of this is getting misconstrued in this thread????

As far as I can tell, I'm the only person that has not raced and haven't claimed to either. I thought this was an open discussion. It matters not that I was unable to race last season for reasons that don't concern anyone but myself.

For our local area, the apparent issue for FE is lack of participation and new members. For this reason alone, I decided to chime in, based on my diligent efforts to get more folks locally to become involved with the hobby. At the same time, there are several FE boaters that cannot find their place at local IMPBA races. These are the same folks that have run IC in the past with Old Dominion (making every race for years) and have no interest running in novice/beginner classes. Admittedly, this is an expensive hobby, but there's no reason to make it unnecessarily cost prohibitive when there are other options or exclude any ideas for growth in the future.

Valid points and valuable input regarding amps for various types of boats.

I will bear the criticism for the group to put these statements to rest without escalation. Please consider that there are more folks that read in the wings than post. In the interest of open discussions, let's keep generalizations and criticism out of the mix. Meanwhile, it seems best I go silent again rather than continue to stir up emotions. We're all in FE for fun, simple as that.

I will say though that your efforts in FE specifically for D12 are greatly appreciated by all.

[Doug Smock]

Guys it is simple. GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND write a proposal. I don't mean 4 or 5 proposals. Email it to your district director and the FE director. There is a forum on the IMPBA web site (IMPBA.NET). Work out the details of the proposal under the FE forum.
Remember this is an IMPBA member’s forum. Sean being you started the post I think you should lead the way. The proposal requires 5 signatures Please have the people working on it sign it.

This crap needs to stop all it is going to do is drive people away from our hobby.

Kevin Sheren
IMPBA President

New to FE

Thanks Kevin. http://impba.net/

Mike, Chilli, Chuck, Dick, Danny, Kent. Hang tough guys, what you are experiencing is just a bump in the road. Keep doing what you are doing and you'll enjoy the gwowth, both new, and IC crossovers that we have seen here including the guys from D3.
Have a great day EVERYONE and I hope to see you at the pond!!
Doug

[T.S.Davis]

Right on Kevin. Git er done. Nice to see you chiming in by the way.

No rules? I missed that one. I thought the only point of contention was the esc.

I'm with you Doug. I want to be able to travel to a race with boats that fit both organizations. London in the fall is on my list of to do's. That race is only an hour from me. Last time I went I had to re-think the wheel on some of my boats. That's the primary reason I mentioned NAMBA. Plus, there's plenty of reference material to draw from.

Spec could be the largest attended FE classes for both orgs. That's more likely if the rules are similar.

[Diegoboy]

I have opted out of P-limited hydro, but I will race my P-limited tunnel. Maybe half way through this season I may throw a P-limited hydro in the water. Only because there is no P-hydro class yet.

[carlcisneros]

Meniscus;

As far as I know, (according to Don), the OD club still does NOT have permission to run there as yet.

Might have changed by know, ya never know.

[LuckyDuc]

Guys it is simple. GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND write a proposal. I don't mean 4 or 5 proposals. Email it to your district director and the FE director. There is a forum on the IMPBA web site (IMPBA.NET). Work out the details of the proposal under the FE forum.
Remember this is an IMPBA member’s forum. Sean being you started the post I think you should lead the way. The proposal requires 5 signatures Please have the people working on it sign it.

This crap needs to stop all it is going to do is drive people away from our hobby.

Kevin Sheren
IMPBA President

New to FE

I hear you loud and clear Kevin.

Just because I haven’t submitted any rule proposals doesn’t mean that I haven’t been busy busting my butt to grow model boating in my own district, especially where FE is concerned.

I believe that you told me on the phone back in December that discussing things like this in an Internet forum, even if it’s on IMPBA’s forum, can lead to communications being misconstrued through the keyboard. I think that we should take a step back, and have a conference call to discuss how this might take place first. We can use my conf bridge. Then work towards moving the discussion there.

[Diegoboy]

Sweet, what's the conf number and passcode?

Oh wait... am I invited? lol

[Meniscus]

Meniscus;

As far as I know, (according to Don), the OD club still does NOT have permission to run there as yet.

Might have changed by know, ya never know.

Understood, thanks. I'll look into the other ponds and see what the landowners say. The good thing is, IC noise is not an issue.

[detox]

How does the pre race and post race inspection work. Is each and every boat inspected after the race? I bet it would be very easy to cheat. Such as disguising a 5s pack to look like a 4s pack.

[don ferrette]

I have never lost a motor but have smoked a few ESC's. IMO the ESC is the fuse - not the motor. I think it boils down to the nitro folks wanting to keep the advantage in mixed races.

Not even remotely close to being accurate.

I think the nitro guys want the FE guys to have just as many DNF's as they have.

Enough already! You keep acting like that and see how long we have a place to play with our FE stuff. This us vs. them crap serves no purpose and offers no solutions, it just creates an un-needed divide that WE DON'T NEED! We are the the smallest faction of the r/c world and ALL need to work together.

Novice allows you to "run what you got" and find out you have a lot yet to learn.

A most brilliant and sometimes painfully honest statement that brings a breath of fresh air in the midst of all this bunk.



And BTW- the funniest part of all of this is ... now everyone pay attention .... our D12 2010 B/P-spec hydro class (nitro and FE combined) was won by a by the rules P-spec boat. Yup it ain't working.......

Toy boats gang, let's put fun first.

Cabin fever - creating unrest in a boating community near you.

[T.S.Davis]

Cabin fever - creating unrest in a boating community near you.

HAHA Don I promise to go back into the shop tonight and work on a boat.

[raptor347]

I have to agree with Don on this one. I've never run into an us vs. them attitude. I won A-mod tunnel at the GP Classic last weekend with my spec boat. No bad feelings at all. In fact, the nitro guys seemed to be pretty impressed with the performance and reliability.

That being said, I'm still not a fan of running mixed classes unless there just aren't enough boats to run them separately. It's really hard to beat a well setup FE boat for reliability and finishing heats. That's not meant as a slam at the nitro guys, it's just a very different technology.

Just my .02

[Doug Smock]

How does the pre race and post race inspection work. Is each and every boat inspected after the race? I bet it would be very easy to cheat. Such as disguising a 5s pack to look like a 4s pack.

Keith get yourself out to the pond and we'll show you!
We've never had a protest.There was a motor in question at one of our races but the mention of a KV meter seemed to have solved that.

Sean IMO The IMPBA fourm is a great place to have a discussion. Anyone interested that is a IMPBA member can take part, and the RULES are clear. ZERO tolerance for BS. I know we can all agree on that.
D.

[Doug Smock]

I have to agree with Don on this one. I've never run into an us vs. them attitude. I won A-mod tunnel at the GP Classic last weekend with my spec boat. No bad feelings at all. In fact, the nitro guys seemed to be pretty impressed with the performance and reliability.

That being said, I'm still not a fan of running mixed classes unless there just aren't enough boats to run them separately. It's really hard to beat a well setup FE boat for reliability and finishing heats. That's not meant as a slam at the nitro guys, it's just a very different technology.

Just my .02

[egneg]

Not even remotely close to being accurate.
Enough already! You keep acting like that and see how long we have a place to play with our FE stuff. This us vs. them crap serves no purpose and offers no solutions, it just creates an un-needed divide that WE DON'T NEED! We are the the smallest faction of the r/c world and ALL need to work together.
A most brilliant and sometimes painfully honest statement that brings a breath of fresh air in the midst of all this bunk.



And BTW- the funniest part of all of this is ... now everyone pay attention .... our D12 2010 B/P-spec hydro class (nitro and FE combined) was won by a by the rules P-spec boat. Yup it ain't working.......

Toy boats gang, let's put fun first.

Cabin fever - creating unrest in a boating community near you.

You chose to eliminate the sarcasm emoticons I had added to my statements. I had a great time racing this year and was the only member of ODMBA that ran only electric boats. If you would have been at the ODMBA banquet you would have seen the smile I had when I excepted these awards. You can read this any way you want but respect is earned not demanded.

P.S. I provide FE modified props to folks all over the world and I am happy to do this in my spare time to promote a hobby that I like to be involved in.