IMPBA’s new P-limited “spec” class rule proposal.

[Meniscus]

So, not to interrupt, but since everyone's reading this including local folks, someone shoot me a PM and let me know when the work weekend is for Old Dominion.

Thanks!

[LuckyDuc]

Please people, read all the posts if you're going to comment.

I apologize for the misinterpretation Mike. I have a better understanding of your post now that you have clarified.

[cybercrxt]

Chilli,

I was not calling you out. I was talking about the other posts where people were really laying into Dick and James. I just wanted people to know that there was even more input than just Dick and James!

I am not sure why NAMBA is being brought up. Last I checked NAMBA and IMPBA are two different organizations. If they were to be the same, would we call it IMNAPBA? haha

And once again, I will say, I don't know why 120a controllers need to be the rule. Why cannot all 60a controllers be the rule???? Someone supporting the 120a controller answer me that? There always seems to be a side step. Tell me why a 60a controller rule for 60a motors is not good enough?

If you keep doing this sooner or later the class will fail....

[cybercrxt]

Well, maybe I will just stay home and run at the local pond by myself. The more I think about it, I had more fun doing that without all the headache of argument and disagreement. Probably a lot cheaper too. I might just go back to building boats only for myself as well....

[Diegoboy]

Well, maybe I will just stay home and run at the local pond by myself. The more I think about it, I had more fun doing that without all the headache of argument and disagreement. Probably a lot cheaper too. I might just go back to building boats only for myself as well....

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

[cybercrxt]

Naw, Im done. I'm going back in the hole I came out of. People would rather race with no rules, so screw it....

[Diegoboy]

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[Rumdog]

You guys sure are touchy. Makes me want to join a club!

[Meniscus]

Well, in the spirit of discussions and considering that we are entertaining all ideas. I'll provide the reference to UK's ELECTRA: http://www.electrafying.com/ click on "Race Classes" on the left menu. (Electra is the longest established fast electric model boat club in the UK. Affiliated to the Model Power Boat Association (MPBA) which is affiliated to Naviga. Members race at local, national, international and world level.)

They limit classes by the weight of the lipo. I'm not implying that anyone should adapt this approach, but it is worth reviewing what works for other entities throughout the world. I often converse with many folks involved with Electra. If you would like more information or to discuss their experiences, then let me know. I will provide an introduction and get out of the way for one on one discussions of the good, the bad, and the ugly as well as lessons learned in the past.

In the meantime, rather than constructive criticism that often gets misinterpreted. Let's continue to have an open discussion to bring to light issues and ultimate goals for this class. If I might suggest, perhaps a different class should be considered or adapted which would allow for all parties to participate at a higher level. After all, we're all here to have fun.

[DPeterson]

cybercyxt

I am not sure why NAMBA is being brought up. Last I checked NAMBA and IMPBA are two different organizations.

Mike
I bring NAMBA up for three reasons.

1. We have been running spec classes in NAMBA for many years. In the last couple years we established a rules committee that invoved members from every geographical area in the US and Canada for the purpose of hamering out the P-Limited rules that will be coming out shortly for the vote. There is no esc restriction in this proposal. A very large group of racers from across the country agreed to this. There is precidence here that IMPBA should consider if they are willing to consider all the facts and implications.

2. There are many of us that run with clubs that are both NAMBA and IMPBA. MY home club is NAMBA. Then we have just recently teamed up with a local nitro club that is IMPBA. Sean and I have grown the P-Limited classes in the nitro club from 4 of us electric members to what we think will be an additional 6 members from the nitro group this year. We don't run mixed classes. This makes no since to us and we just know it won't fly anyway. We are getting the nitro converts because of the speeds we are showing with the P-Limited set ups. Our P-Limited set ups are way faster than their counter part boats so we know a mixed class will never work.

3. Many of us travel the country to race. Doesn't matter if it is IMPBA or NAMBA. Been to Ontario Canada, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Illinois, Arizona, Colorado and even Germany. Looking to continue to travel to places I have not been to, to race. Without some uniformity in rules some of our traveling plans will be restricted to what fits our set ups. Not a big deal of course as we have a lot of venues we can go to.

So far the discussion has at least been civil. No reason for anyone to get heated.

Doug

[Insaniac]

Well, in the spirit of discussions and considering that we are entertaining all ideas. I'll provide the reference to UK's ELECTRA: http://www.electrafying.com/ click on "Race Classes" on the left menu. (Electra is the longest established fast electric model boat club in the UK. Affiliated to the Model Power Boat Association (MPBA) which is affiliated to Naviga. Members race at local, national, international and world level.)

They limit classes by the weight of the lipo. I'm not implying that anyone should adapt this approach, but it is worth reviewing what works for other entities throughout the world. I often converse with many folks involved with Electra. If you would like more information or to discuss their experiences, then let me know. I will provide an introduction and get out of the way for one on one discussions of the good, the bad, and the ugly as well as lessons learned in the past.

In the meantime, rather than constructive criticism that often gets misinterpreted. Let's continue to have an open discussion to bring to light issues and ultimate goals for this class. If I might suggest, perhaps a different class should be considered or adapted which would allow for all parties to participate at a higher level. After all, we're all here to have fun.

Battery technology continues to change and thus weight changes...using battery weight as a spec doesn't make sense...JMHO.

[cybercrxt]

That's cool Doug P. No worries. I am gonna go back to where I started. The local college pond. That way I don't need to worry about whats going on. I have said my peace, I thought it was fair, but people on this site (not you), don't want ANY rules. They want it as open ended as possible. I know, because I had to deal with this in D12 last year. They felt restrictions limited the FE success against the nitro guys (we had to mix classes due to lack of FE guys showing up (go figure), and nothing was further from the truth. Half of the people fighting up here don't even race. They keyboard, and that's the sad part about all of it. The people that raced our district liked, and understood the rules, and had fun. But you always get a group that has not raced, yet feel they know more than anyone else. I got into RC for fun, not to argue over such petty stuff. 60amp controllers in a Tunnel are all you need. And just so you do know Doug, I don't think we are talking about anything other than tunnels. Monos can use other controllers as there is a need in that class. That may be where some of this is getting misconstrued in this thread????

[bigwaveohs]

Amen Mike...

[Flying Scotsman]

Douggie, I respect you, but in this case you are really out in left field. If you don't think that the ESC can be a significant advantage, you really need to study ESCs a little harder.

NOT arguing for anything, one way or the other (I'll "run what I brung"), but just sayin...

I am always out on left field Darin and yes I understand timing controls on an ESC, but frankly I think this issue is a tempest in a teapot.

Douggie

[Ksheren]

Guys it is simple. GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND write a proposal. I don't mean 4 or 5 proposals. Email it to your district director and the FE director. There is a forum on the IMPBA web site (IMPBA.NET). Work out the details of the proposal under the FE forum.
Remember this is an IMPBA member’s forum. Sean being you started the post I think you should lead the way. The proposal requires 5 signatures Please have the people working on it sign it.

This crap needs to stop all it is going to do is drive people away from our hobby.

Kevin Sheren
IMPBA President

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