P-Spec Sport Hydro/LSH?

[JimClark]

Ok so as someone who really likes scale hydros and is getting into racing Namba part time I am confused (I know confused about a lot of things I am getting old)but mostly about classes.
In reading the namba rules no one is truly running LSH anymore now you have the insane Hydro running in Pseudo LSH classes because the hulls are bear no resemblance to real hydros run in the past. Where is this all going to end up? will the LSH class be updated for the current spec power or will the class be eliminated and combined into a P-Sport?

Jim

[AndyKunz]

The class is Limited Sport Hydro - the S in LSH is for Sport, not Spec. Limited (L) is where the "spec" concept fits in for the power limitations; the motors were originally limited to Speed 700-type motors.

Sport doesn't have to resemble real hydros. There are dimensional things that they need to have, and the general layout is of a scale-like boat (ie, NOT a rigger), but they are NOT scale.

Probably the confusion comes in because in the Offshore classes they use LSO when it should be EITHER Limited Offshore (LO) or Spec Offshore (SO) but not LSO. Limited Spec is redundant.

Andy

[Darin Jordan]

Jim,

Be patient... I would look for some official action to get the P-Limited / P-Spec power level into the rulebook for next season sometime after the Nats...

Basically, if you build a NAMBA legal Sport Hydro, and then power it with the P-Limited power system, you'll be in good shape.

[JimClark]

this is what is confusing on the Puget sound fast electrics site under class descriptions

"P" Sport Hydro*!**
Any single brushed or brushless motor allowed. Only*!** 4s Lithium Polymer 3.7 v. cell batteries totaling 14.8 v, 2p are allowed.
Hulls will be painted in the spirit of the original full size hydro. Maximum hull length 34".
Limited Spec Sport*!** Hydro

Current NAMBA LSH rules. Additionally,*!** P-Spec Power Specifications shall apply.
Summary:*!** Any NAMBA LSH legal hull with either 700, SV27, BJ27, Himax or AQ UL1 motor, using NAMBA P-class Power Limits (Power Limits: 10.1 to 15 Volts nominal, any chemistry. Maximum of 2 packs in parallel. Maximum capacity of 10,000 mAh.)

[Jeepers]

this is what is confusing on the Puget sound fast electrics site under class descriptions

"P" Sport Hydro*!**
Any single brushed or brushless motor allowed. Only*!** 4s Lithium Polymer 3.7 v. cell batteries totaling 14.8 v, 2p are allowed.
Hulls will be painted in the spirit of the ORIGINAL full size hydro. Maximum hull length 34".
Limited Spec Sport*!** Hydro

Current NAMBA LSH rules. Additionally,*!** P-Spec Power Specifications shall apply.
Summary:*!** Any NAMBA LSH legal hull with either 700, SV27, BJ27, Himax or AQ UL1 motor, using NAMBA P-class Power Limits (Power Limits: 10.1 to 15 Volts nominal, any chemistry. Maximum of 2 packs in parallel. Maximum capacity of 10,000 mAh.)

I got a kick when I read this some time ago. (the high lighted words) yet everybody runs gel coat or they have there own custom paint! not that I care just thought it was funny.

[properchopper]

Jim,

Be patient... I would look for some official action to get the P-Limited / P-Spec power level into the rulebook for next season sometime after the Nats...

Basically, if you build a NAMBA legal Sport Hydro, and then power it with the P-Limited power system, you'll be in good shape.

Finally !!

[JimClark]

Allright watch out Tony's dancing again. Tony you need to try out for Dancing with the stars

Finally !!

[Darin Jordan]

this is what is confusing on the Puget sound fast electrics site under class descriptions

"P" Sport Hydro*!**
Any single brushed or brushless motor allowed. Only*!** 4s Lithium Polymer 3.7 v. cell batteries totaling 14.8 v, 2p are allowed.
Hulls will be painted in the spirit of the original full size hydro. Maximum hull length 34".
Limited Spec Sport*!** Hydro

Current NAMBA LSH rules. Additionally,*!** P-Spec Power Specifications shall apply.
Summary:*!** Any NAMBA LSH legal hull with either 700, SV27, BJ27, Himax or AQ UL1 motor, using NAMBA P-class Power Limits (Power Limits: 10.1 to 15 Volts nominal, any chemistry. Maximum of 2 packs in parallel. Maximum capacity of 10,000 mAh.)

Jim... P-Sport and P-Spec are two different classes... the club doesn't run P-Sport at this time...

Plus, I wouldn't go too much by what the club has posted on the site... We use standard NAMBA rules, unless it's a club class... The site isn't always up to date.

[D. Newland]

P-Limited will be proposed as an added Power Parameter, which will include the motors we are running today, and any future motor that mirrors current legal motor parameters (at the CD's discretion...must be listed on racer flyer, etc).

Because P-Limited is being proposed as a Power Parameter, if successful, LSH/LSO will be deleted. There's no need to specifically spell out those classes in the rulebook because it's redundant.

The proposal that I'm working on will be discussed at the Nat's. However, It won't be NAMBA Propwash ready until early '11. Seems strange, but it has to be edited and reviewed by the BOD...and there just isn't enough time for all of that to happen before the next Propwash.

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There's obviously a lot of opinions about the Insane boat, as there was with the gas guys when the Insane G4 (big brother to the FE 30) gas sport hydro hit the market. Lots of passion, too. Sport Hydro discussions typically go that way, and it doesn't matter if you're gas/nitro/FE. It could be because the rules are vague, and/or it could be that it's easy to form various opinions about what is a Sport Hydro. Again, there's more passion here than with monos or OPC, etc.

If there was an issue of legality with the FE30, I feel it would have been washed out by the gas guys when the G4 came out. Nothing ever happened, other than a lot of online drama. If you want more information, go to Jim's Boat Dock, Politics Section and do a search about the G4 being legal. It's quite a read.

[MarkF]

Dont forget about the drama when the whip came out as well. All of these boats were built to the way the rules were writting. To try and re write the rules that might change how these boats were built would be futile because you can't change the rules to make a once legal boat illegal . They would have to be grandfathered in as legal. Lets face it. Most people just want to build there boat and go run it. They dont want to have to to all of this extra work like blue printing the bottom and adding ride pads and what not. Maybe we should just start a P scale hydro class to satisfy those that like running that kind of boat.

I find it funny in the 20 years I've being running boats people have been saying how come nobody can build a boat that can run worth a dam. Now we finally have some choices that do and people are still trying to find ways to complain.

Thanks for people like David N and all the others who I dont know all their names for trying to sort out the mess and come up with some rules that make sense for were this hobby has evolved. I agree with those that say P,Q and open is all we really need anymore. That makes sense to me.

Mark

[AndyKunz]

Because P-Limited is being proposed as a Power Parameter, if successful, LSH/LSO will be deleted. There's no need to specifically spell out those classes in the rulebook because it's redundant.

It's about time! I pushed for this back when we started LSH 10-or-so years ago. I wanted the P-Spec power then, but it was nixed by the then-FE Chair since adding it as a power class automatically created other classes his son would have had to make new boats for in Mono and Hydro categories.

I'm really glad to see it heading in the right direction now. Thanks, Dave!

Andy

[Fluid]

...it was nixed by the then-FE Chair since adding it as a power class automatically created other classes his son would have had to make new boats for in Mono and Hydro categories....

Now Andy...



j/k ...



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[AndyKunz]

Really, Jay, that was what he told me! He was very concerned that traveling racers not have to bring more boats. Remember, you can only run a boat in one class a day per the rules, and if you now have P Mono, P-Spec Mono, P Hydro, P-Spec Hydro, P Offshore, P-Spec Offshore, it gets a bit bulky. This was also in the days when 3-day Nationals were still with us. It makes sense. The coffins were already packed to the brim with hulls.

Andy

[Steven Vaccaro]

Summary:*!** Any NAMBA LSH legal hull with either 700, SV27, BJ27, Himax or AQ UL1 motor, using NAMBA P-class Power Limits (Power Limits: 10.1 to 15 Volts nominal, any chemistry. Maximum of 2 packs in parallel. Maximum capacity of 10,000 mAh.)

It bugs the hell out of me that only these motors can be used. This summer the most popular of those motors(ul-1) was out of stock for almost 2 months!

Also what happens when or if the ul1 motor changes kv's. For example the sv27 motor was 1500kv(approx) but is now 1800kv. Is that motor automatically allowed?

[Fluid]

This is really no different than in the days of the 700 can LSH motors. The only competitive motors were the SS-1 and the 700SC. Once they were out of stock, there were no good LSH motors to be had. Motors will be added or removed as they were in the past, just like the N-1 ROAR stock motors are.

If we open the class to a bunch of "spec" motors, then the whole advantage of motor parity evaporates. The nice thing about the class is the limited number of legal motors. (Actually you can get almost the same speed in an LSH with a BJ26 motor as you can with the UL-1 motor - 2 mph is the difference I logged for safe setups. It just takes a bit more experimenting with props. If I had two months to wait for a magic UL-1 motor, I'd be experimenting with the BJ26 mill......)


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