P-Spec Motors

[Hydromaniac]

Since clubs are all going different directions and these aren't official classes anyway, we aren't going to run them at nationals next summer right?

Brian I am not sure I understand your question can you be more specific , "them" what rules or classes are you refering to?

[Hydromaniac]

From section 6 A of the NAMBA rule book.

3. To be classified as a Nationals a diversified selection of classes will be presented, which will adequately offer as many nationally approved classes that can be run during the event. Emphasis will be made on the classes which are popular in the area/district in which that Nationals is held.

If we are going to use the rule book, we should probably use all of it.

Help me out here, what is your point? I missed something that brought the 2010 FE Nats classes in to this conversation. If we use "all" of the rule book we would have to run 700 motors in spec classes as that is how the rule book reads at this point in time. Just trying to get a clear direction of whats in question so that as the CD I can give you a clear answer.

[Hydromaniac]

Brian Not sure but let me see if I can give some light on the "P" spec classes that we are planning for the nats. This is only for P spec as that is the topic of the thread.
OPC
OFF SHORE LSO(4 MINUTE MARATHON)
HYDRO
SPORT HYDRO LSH/SSH
CRACKERBOX( EXHIBITION IF FILLED)
As per P class, hulls can be no longer then 34 inches, Motors allowed will be 700 /brushed, PB Black Jack 26, AQ SV-27 and AQ UL-1. No esc restriction. 4s (14.8)volts 10000 MAH max No paralelling limit. This is the plan for "P spec classes at this time. If any changes happen ( Which I doubt) We will get the information out in plenty of time. Hope this helps.

[T.S.Davis]

Since clubs are all going different directions and these aren't official classes anyway, we aren't going to run them at nationals next summer right?

Define FE nationals. Technically it's not even in the book. It's one race with all the fuel sources at one event.

Just call them exhibition classes for your race Rod. Make sure you toss the rule set for P spec into your announcement somewhere.

Clubs can do like Morris County and Puget and do what they want but once you travel you need to be on the same page as your hosts. Eventually we'll get all this figured out. The actual rule book will read like we want so that there will be no need to stress about what we'll find when we get to a race. In theory of course.

[Jeff Wohlt]

Don't get me wrong but...you all should have this post in the club forums.

[Norman2]

P-Spec Motors

Brian Not sure but let me see if I can give some light on the "P" spec classes that we are planning for the nats. This is only for P spec as that is the topic of the thread.
OPC
OFF SHORE LSO(4 MINUTE MARATHON)
HYDRO
SPORT HYDRO LSH/SSH
CRACKERBOX( EXHIBITION IF FILLED)
As per P class, hulls can be no longer then 34 inches, Motors allowed will be 700 /brushed, PB Black Jack 26, AQ SV-27 and AQ UL-1. No esc restriction. 4s (14.8)volts 10000 MAH max No paralelling limit. This is the plan for "P spec classes at this time. If any changes happen ( Which I doubt) We will get the information out in plenty of time. Hope this helps.

That is the perfect rule to follow for Spec Class. Our club has identical rules and
it is the class where we have more entries and more fun. I think that talking about
adding more motors is non productive. Just my comments. Regards
Norman

[Doug Smock]

[Darin Jordan]

HAHAHAHahahahHAHAHAHAHahahaha!!!

[raptor347]

Brian Not sure but let me see if I can give some light on the "P" spec classes that we are planning for the nats. This is only for P spec as that is the topic of the thread.
OPC
OFF SHORE LSO(4 MINUTE MARATHON)
HYDRO
SPORT HYDRO LSH/SSH
CRACKERBOX( EXHIBITION IF FILLED)
As per P class, hulls can be no longer then 34 inches, Motors allowed will be 700 /brushed, PB Black Jack 26, AQ SV-27 and AQ UL-1. No esc restriction. 4s (14.8)volts 10000 MAH max No paralelling limit. This is the plan for "P spec classes at this time. If any changes happen ( Which I doubt) We will get the information out in plenty of time. Hope this helps.

Rod,
Thanks! That's just what we needed. This in essence is the official national rule for P-spec. It's what will be run at nationals for 2010.

Terry,
Yes, I know there are huge holes in the book. Probably better than most.

[sailr]

PERFECT! In my opinion we need to keep it right there! NO MORE MOTOR additions. If a club wants to open it up to other motors, that's up to them to run as a 'club class' but as far as the National rules, it needs to stay right where you have listed it.

Brian Not sure but let me see if I can give some light on the "P" spec classes that we are planning for the nats. This is only for P spec as that is the topic of the thread.
OPC
OFF SHORE LSO(4 MINUTE MARATHON)
HYDRO
SPORT HYDRO LSH/SSH
CRACKERBOX( EXHIBITION IF FILLED)
As per P class, hulls can be no longer then 34 inches, Motors allowed will be 700 /brushed, PB Black Jack 26, AQ SV-27 and AQ UL-1. No esc restriction. 4s (14.8)volts 10000 MAH max No paralelling limit. This is the plan for "P spec classes at this time. If any changes happen ( Which I doubt) We will get the information out in plenty of time. Hope this helps.

[Littlescreamers]

I find this very unfair?? I have spend mass time and money to bring new water jacketed outrunner motors to the market and now you tell me they will not allow it to run in the races?? GREAT! I know it can be ran in the unlimited class but Man, I hope this is just for stock classes.

Scott

[Hydromaniac]

I find this very unfair?? I have spend mass time and money to bring new water jacketed outrunner motors to the market and now you tell me they will not allow it to run in the races?? GREAT! I know it can be ran in the unlimited class but Man, I hope this is just for stock classes.

Scott

This conversation and class discussion is only about the current "P"spec class and does not pertain to other classes. The motors can still be ran in several other classes.

[sailr]

Scott,
Chill. Only talking about the current P Spec classes. Nothing to keep anyone from using your motors in other classes. I applaude you for your efforts. The outrunners are certainly on everyone's mind and will find great success in a myriad of applications....just not the current P Spec classes. K?

Jim

I find this very unfair?? I have spend mass time and money to bring new water jacketed outrunner motors to the market and now you tell me they will not allow it to run in the races?? GREAT! I know it can be ran in the unlimited class but Man, I hope this is just for stock classes.

Scott

[BILL OXIDEAN]

From section 6 A of the NAMBA rule book.

3. To be classified as a Nationals a diversified selection of classes will be presented, which will adequately offer as many nationally approved classes that can be run during the event. Emphasis will be made on the classes which are popular in the area/district in which that Nationals is held.

If we are going to use the rule book, we should probably use all of it.

I'm behind this statement.

[BILL OXIDEAN]

Please don't take this the wrong way, because i do applaud your testing and desire to keep things right. But if you truly want a spec class. A single spec motor should be considered. Otherwise you run into differences in power. For instance, look at Tony's testing of the Scorpion motor. With one esc it ran just ok, with another it came alive. There really isn't time in the world to test each setup and setting to make sure they are all the same.

Steve, that is SO true!!! Any half technical sanction would laugh all night at the idea of a sanction "speking" motors of different wind, length, and magnet constructions

How are you gonna spec a 2-pole motor with a 6? LoL..

A spec motor like a ROAR stock or 19-turn have all the same length, diameter, magnet size, and wind. Yes, there are many choices from different mfgrs, but they all fall under the same strict guidelines

THERES NO WAY MOTORS OF DIFFERENT WINDS ARE SPEC PERIOD!!!!!

Spec stuff is great for club races, but the nats need to showcase all of NAMBA's wonderful sanctioned classes.

LSH, LSO are already a staple in our programs, but as much as I love the spec classes and have done well with them, I think that 5 exibition classes crammed into an already hectic race schedule is not an affective use of time.