Had an interesting experience

[CraigP]

Well if everything is different where you are, then what’s the point of posting? It appears that you also have a completely unique set of physics formulas working in your area too. Dude, you should apply for a Nobel Prize for discovering Variations in Physics Interactions Based on Regions. Better get on that, before someone in Australia beats you to it!

[kfxguy]

Well if everything is different where you are, then what’s the point of posting? It appears that you also have a completely unique set of physics formulas working in your area too. Dude, you should apply for a Nobel Prize for discovering Variations in Physics Interactions Based on Regions. Better get on that, before someone in Australia beats you to it!

This. Lol

[vinnyp]

Well if everything is different where you are, then what’s the point of posting? It appears that you also have a completely unique set of physics formulas working in your area too. Dude, you should apply for a Nobel Prize for discovering Variations in Physics Interactions Based on Regions. Better get on that, before someone in Australia beats you to it!

Perfectly said....

[Speed3]

The guys hear are skilled, but the water makes all the difference.

In the video I post earlier in the thread with the stock revolt using the m545 on 4s.

I was racing 2 other boats, one was a completely stock revolt with the grim racer 4255 on 4s, with just an ESC upgrade seaking 120 v3.

The other boat was a motley crew on 5s with a proboat 1500 kV motor and a 3 blade CNC prop.

Well my stock revolt with the 545 pulled away from the other 2 boats, behind me was the other revolt then the motley crew.

Well the distance that my revolt covered in 4seconds at that time.

It now covers in about 2 seconds with the leopard 4092 2080kv on 4s with the same m545.

That's around double the speed or close to double. Just to show the power that the leopards have.

You can see the videos for support to confirm my claims. The links were posted.

Thanks for you patients.

[MADRCER]

I have seen the zelos 36 in action. A stock zelos 36 on 6s cannot get close to my revolt on 4s with the 2080kv 4092 leopard.

Hi Speed3! Let me show you a stock Zelos 36 in action. This was my 3rd fastest recorded run.

Also, I'd go out on a limb and say that the stock RTR boat linked below running 80mph might be able to keep up with your 4s revolt or it might even give it a reality check...I may be wrong but just saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpdo0DxJ7w&t=5s

[Speed3]

Madrcer your boats are very fast. I don't doubt your speed but those boats would be subject to another set of physics laws. That zelos that did 88mph with the 1716 ABC props would probably be limited to 50mph max in my area.

I have videos of those 2 boats running in the waters that I run in. So I know for a fact what I am talking about. A zelos with 42mm props is not that fast where I run. They need bigger diameter props to reach 60mph on 6s.

A stock 6s zelos would be in the 40's in my area.

The Velez is faster out of the box, in the 50's in the region where I live. You might have gotten 60 to 62 with the Velez and the 1716 ABC props.

I can tell you you may never get to 80mph no matter what you do in my area.

I know a guy who did 67.9mph in our waters. Fastest ever recorded in our waters.

The fastest a zelos did was 64 or 65 with a setup probably similar to the 95mph zelos setup.

I see a genesis on YouTube which did 103mph. The guy give a like description of his setup in the comments.

Last week end a dude brought a genesis when I saw the boat I realize he had in a motor similar to the 103mph genesis, I think he even had on a ABC 18 or 19 17 45 series 2 blade. I am not sure how much cells he ran, I know nothing less than 4. Should have been a 60 plus mph setup minimum. Well if he did 35mph he set a record.

I couldn't believe what was going on before my eyes.

I can tell you, you will be lucky if you can get a genesis to do 60 in the waters in my area.

The physics is totally different here.

[Doug Smock]

Enough of the bashing guys............

Thanks

[Bp9145]

Enough of the bashing guys............

Thanks

Sorry Doug, after reading everyone's post I couldn't help myself but put my 2¢ in and got carried away. It's just a bit frustrating when most of us are here to genuinely help so we can make this hobby fun for everyone and yet we sometimes get this. . .well just a bit frustrating that's all. .apologies

[MADRCER]

Madrcer your boats are very fast. I don't doubt your speed but those boats would be subject to another set of physics laws.

The Velez is faster out of the box, in the 50's in the region where I live. You might have gotten 60 to 62 with the Velez and the 1716 ABC props.

Thanks Speed3 for the comment! A Veles 29 on 6s with a stock raw prop in my area will only run mid 50's and one not tuned properly with an average prepped 1716 will only be in the mid 60's here also. So with that comparison your waters may not be too much different than here in the States. Your varying results could be that the boats weren't set up properly and or how the props were prepped.

[Luck as a Constant]

Enough of the bashing guys............

Thanks

Sorry dude, I could at least post something informative with my time.

I will simply add that I’ve always liked leopard motors and have always worked for me as sport setups.

[CraigP]

[Speed3]

Thanks for your feedback.

I realize the tread doesn't serve any relevance to you guys.

But it seems to me that the tp motor have stronger magnets than the leopard. Which I think should translate to higher rpm underload kV to kv, with a similar can size.

Then using a 8mm shaft in side the motor with the piece coming out being 5mm should translate to the ability to run smoother at higher rpm.

So the tp I would say is higher quality.

But the waters where I live will expose the difference between motor.

If a motor has more torque it stands out.

And the leopard stood out to be the more powerful of the two in my experience.

I thinking if the leopards could have handled the higher rev like the tp it would be interesting to see them in higher level competition.

I know for a fact the leopards would run cooler than the tp once everything is solder well.

[kfxguy]

Madrcer your boats are very fast. I don't doubt your speed but those boats would be subject to another set of physics laws. That zelos that did 88mph with the 1716 ABC props would probably be limited to 50mph max in my area.

I have videos of those 2 boats running in the waters that I run in. So I know for a fact what I am talking about. A zelos with 42mm props is not that fast where I run. They need bigger diameter props to reach 60mph on 6s.

A stock 6s zelos would be in the 40's in my area.

The Velez is faster out of the box, in the 50's in the region where I live. You might have gotten 60 to 62 with the Velez and the 1716 ABC props.

I can tell you you may never get to 80mph no matter what you do in my area.

I know a guy who did 67.9mph in our waters. Fastest ever recorded in our waters.

The fastest a zelos did was 64 or 65 with a setup probably similar to the 95mph zelos setup.

I see a genesis on YouTube which did 103mph. The guy give a like description of his setup in the comments.

Last week end a dude brought a genesis when I saw the boat I realize he had in a motor similar to the 103mph genesis, I think he even had on a ABC 18 or 19 17 45 series 2 blade. I am not sure how much cells he ran, I know nothing less than 4. Should have been a 60 plus mph setup minimum. Well if he did 35mph he set a record.

I couldn't believe what was going on before my eyes.

I can tell you, you will be lucky if you can get a genesis to do 60 in the waters in my area.

The physics is totally different here.

I’m sorry to tell you but unless you live in the twilight zone, there’s no way an 80mph boat is going to drop to 50mph. No way, no how, unless the water is super rough and you can’t get on it. Your comparing guys on this forum that know how to dial a boat in to fellas that I confidently assume are still learning. My first time running a Daytona (genesis) the boat didn’t even do 40mph on its maiden. Those boats like a very high strut compared to other hulls. I eventually got it to 80mph. Strut height and angle will make or break a boat. If your guys boats are not dialed in, they will go slow. That genesis you saw 103, I set that boat up. It had a tp motor and he was running 8s, way over voltage on that boat for what the motor was designed for. I’ve had people think that the lake in must have some special water for me to be going as fast as I have, I’ve gone to several other spots and recorded speeds close enough to rule that out.


There are also lots of other factors coming into play to make a boat faster that I’ve mentioned, if you don’t have your setup optimized, it’s not going to be as fast as the next guy who’s setup is.

[Speed3]

Well I did some amp draw test to compare the salt water in my area to fresh water.

The salt water requires 140% more amps for the same exact setup. I did the test to compare the two waters.

A zelos twin with stock motors is doing a little over 60 max. After upgrading the props.

And I can tell you they know what they area doing the water is the difference.

I don't know if you every hear about the exceed shark2. I read it does 30mph on 3s out of the box.

It does 21 to 22 in our waters.

The stock revolt was said to be approaching 40mph with the stock grim racer 4255 and 4s.

It does about 30 to 31 max.

When using the octura m545 it goes up to 35mph.

That setup I read persons are getting 48mph.

The stock traxxas spartan did 35mph on a good 6s pack.

Same boat I saw videos of it doing 48mph.

I know a guy had a zelos twin, put in 4082 size sss or tp I think the kV was over 2000kv and 6s per motor. I think he had on counter rotating x447. Could not get the boat pass 65 to 66mph no matter what prop he used. And I have seen videos of zelos doing over 90mph with similar setups.

I know guys setup they boat based on setups they see. 90 plus mph setups and the boats get stuck in the 60's.

[kfxguy]

All I can do is lol. Your going by what it says on the box? Lmao. Umm. No. It’s capable of that in experienced hands. I’ve never seen a boat do what it says out the box without adjustments. The veles is the only one I’ve seen comes real close. But ok, I’ll go along with what you say.

140% more amps? So if a given boat takes 150amps on one water than it will take 375 amps on the other? Wow. Seems a little off to me. What do I know? Just gotta take your word on it I guess.