flier 400 amps

[Lone-Wolf]

Yeah the thing must be coughing up 20 gallons of water at a time, in reality its more impressive. I had to measure the hull as it was looking to be the same length as my 73" Cat...yup, bow to prop nut is 73" with hull at 69" not 67" as I was told...cool!

[urbs00007]

flier 400 amps

They were swordfish? A customer that was there said you replaced a couple of Fliers. Is that not true?

steve, can you ask that customer to verify his story?

[ls1fst98]

steve, can you ask that customer to verify his story?

Verify my story? I was there, i watched it. It was a cheetah single from sarasota.

[urbs00007]

Verify my story? I was there, i watched it. It was a cheetah single from sarasota.

no offense, but my post was in response to steve's post about a customer of his who said 2 alien esc's stopped working. we should give steve a chance to verify that the customer was right or wrong. and even if the esc's did stop working, we are looking to see that the manufacturer responds in a helpful manner. that is how products are improved. I worked with ben from fightercat for 2 years to get his units working reliably. fightercat stopped selling esc's and i went to other esc's. when i saw this 400 amp unit for sale i started this post to see if the esc's could have kept improving. everybody wants these esc's to succeed. lets wait for a response from steve's customer and hopefully we can all gain from this thread. Lone wolf is having great results!!

[ls1fst98]

Steve made it sound like it was my customers, i didntbsee any alien escs at nats. No offense taken, was just clearing it up. I had 1 esc replaced before nats, but it was a user error, he had a y wind motor, and ran it with timing set to 0.

[Outerlimits SV43]

Hi, little guidance needed!
Planning to run 2x TP Power 5850 990KV. (Boat: Outerlimits SV43 - 1,7m mono)
Could Flier 400A - 22S do the job?
Do I need capasitor banks? And what is the main difference between these two?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HV-22S-400A-waterproof-blushless-ESC-for-rc-Boat-surfboard-with-program-box/32700463858.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Flier-400A-100V-super-high-voltage-motor-speed-ESC-for-Boat/616319017.html

If so, any suggestion where I can find these ESCs to best price?

Thanks in advance! :)

[ls1fst98]

Im a dealer for flier in the US. The difference is the casing is fully sealed, water resistant. (I refuse tobcall aby electronic waterproof). The other uses a cooling plat and shrink wrap and is smaller.

Cap banks will help, and the 400a is plenty. Flier also has cap banks to go with their escs

[Outerlimits SV43]

Thanks for feedback!

[donhuff]

I had a couple of Fliers go out recently. I went to the IMPBA time trials in Valdosta Georgia last month, and had two "borrowed" 300 amp flier escs. I had built 3 of my new 40" Orca hulls and had them rigged, tested, and ready to break the Q 1/3 mile oval. Rigged out except that I did not have any escs. My swordfish 240 quit before I could get in much testing.
Brad Schafer, a fellow Atlanta model boater and record chaser, stepped in and offered his two brand new flier 300 amp ESCs for me to take to the trials. If he had not done this, I would not have gone to the trials, because I do not think my old seaking 180s would get me to where I need to be!

During testing it looked like a pretty normal racing setup would get the record, providing I drove it right and hugged the buoys. So I had the first boat ready to give it a try, armed with a TP 4070- 1440kv an ABC 1914, and the flier 300. I was way off the record and driving like an idiot. I finally settled down and turned in some good laps, and after 3 or 4 tries did break the record, but not by the required .25 of a second to make it official. So with fresh batteries I gave it one more try and really drove well but clipped the very last buoy at the exit light!!!

Enough of this, I swapped the motor for a higher kv one that I got from Steven off the "swap shop". It was suppose to be another 1440 that I was going to use as a spare, but it turned out to be a 2080kv (thanks Steven, I'm glad it turned out that way). With the higher kv I propped down to an 1814. We had tested this combo at home and found that it was ballistic, so I figured it would be simple to get the record with this combo. Well, ballistic missiles are not made to do 180 degree turns at wide open throttle, as I found out! I should have propped down some more but I never even thought about it. I just throttled down a little and gave it another try. I made one lap ok then on the next, it shut down. I thought it must have gotten hot, so I gave it a minute or two to cool and then I was going to bring it in for a look. When I eased the throttle just off the stop BOOM!!!!!! and I mean a loud M80 type boom! The hatch blew off splitting the tape like it had been cut with a razor, followed by 12 inch tall flames coming out of the hatch opening! Glen Quarles (the CD of the event) and I were just standing there with our jaws dropped, watching the show. I remember thinking "I aint never seen no SHIP like this before" not in toy boats. Glen asked if he could throw water on it, and I said yes, please do LOL.

Well obviously that flier was dead, so I took that motor out and put it in one of the other hulls that had the other flier in it. Back into the water with a new goal in mind of just getting around the buoys in a smooth easy fashion, with no more throttle than necessary. It worked! on my second attempt I broke the record!

So now I'm back in the pits swapping motors again to the lower 1440kv motor, but this time were going for the S (8 cell) record which was actually a little slower than the Q one was, and this setup would be turning the prop a little slower than the Q setup did and should be easier on the motor and ESC. This should be easy peasy, cause I know how to drive and throttle it now, and I can even go slower. I made it to buoy #2 on the first attempt and she stops dead, never to move again! The second flier had quit but without booms and flames this time.

We thought that the fliers were going to be ok after giving them some pretty hard testing at the home pond. But after their showing at the time trials we are giving them second thoughts. It looks like we are going to MGMs next, trying to get something we can race these new hulls with.

[kfxguy]

Sorry to hear that Don. Do note that in the coming future castle is releasing some new marine escs. I can't wait. Most of my projects are on hold right now anyway so maybe when I'm back at it again they will be ready for production.

[Outerlimits SV43]

Wow!! Interesting reading!!! Thanks!

[donhuff]

Yeah kfxguy, I wish the castles were ready now, and I hope they make a 300-350 amp one this time. I have never used a castle as I got in to fe only a couple years ago and they had quit the boat versions by then. Mr Smock keeps telling me they were very good, and he has one in his new Q -ORCA now and should be ready to test pretty soon.

BTW that 1440 motor I was using was the one I got from you or either dethrow. I bought two off the swap shop.

[donhuff]

outerlimits,

Thanks. I like making a story out of it cause most of the time on the forums the reading is either boring or a bunch of B---itching. I left out a lot of the story cause I am a one finger typer, and it takes me forever to do a message.

I wish I had stayed a couple more days and just hung out and helped, I had my room rented for the next four days. But with no more ESCs in the spare box except for a couple of turnigy 120As, I figured I might as well head home. I also had a bad cold and couldn't hardly work on stuff for wiping snot off my nose constantly. Martin Truex showed up the day after I left. I would have enjoyed watching him turning 7.5 second laps!!!!!!

Everyone thinks money is the only reason he does so well but that is far from the truth. He shows up in a chevy pu with a camper shell on the back, builds his boats, builds his motors, and understands how to adjust trim, and can drive them hydros like they are slot cars. I just hope he never gets tired of hydros, and buys a mono!

[Outerlimits SV43]

Is1fst98,

I think I will go for 2x 400A (Waterproof) and I will come back to you when Im ganna place an order. A good price for a set
So you dont think I will need an extra cap bank for running these 400As? (2x TP 5850 / 10 or 12S)

[Outerlimits SV43]

donhuff,