Obsession with 6s

[Darin Jordan]

If I were to run any of these 1800KV powered boats on anything more than 4S, it would just be 5S... I, too, would not go to 6S. BUT, if you look at how MOST of the "Sport" community runs... all they do is drag race... Race down... turn around slowly... race back... All many of you seem to care about is how fast the GPS reads... For that type of running... The 1800KV on 6S is a SAW style setup that will provide some fun.

I don't run that way myself, so I have different wants/needs out of a boat. But, on occasion (SAW), we'll pump them up and go for it... I guess now you can too!

[Diesel6401]

If I were to run any of these 1800KV powered boats on anything more than 4S, it would just be 5S... I, too, would not go to 6S. BUT, if you look at how MOST of the "Sport" community runs... all they do is drag race... Race down... turn around slowly... race back... All many of you seem to care about is how fast the GPS reads... For that type of running... The 1800KV on 6S is a SAW style setup that will provide some fun.

I don't run that way myself, so I have different wants/needs out of a boat. But, on occasion (SAW), we'll pump them up and go for it... I guess now you can too!

Yes speed chasing is the new thing even in sport boating. I think it would be wise to add a disclaimer in the manual though that suggest 6s should be used for more then a few passes. I'm sure you'll get some smarta$$ who's made that he burnt his boat up attempting to run 6s w/ a m445 for 5ms and complaining how PB sux... you know its coming.

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[Darin Jordan]

I'm sure you'll get some smarta$$ who's made that he burnt his boat up attempting to run 6s w/ a m445 for 5ms and complaining how PB sux... you know its coming.

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OK... so what has changed!!

Yup... I'm aware. But, I know that PB does NOT suck, and, just like with our new member on OSE, xlandguy or whatever his tag is... we'll talk them back down off the cliff, and get them directed down the right path, and save many of these poor souls from the brink of R/C Boating purgatory!

[Steven Vaccaro]

OK... so what has changed!!

Yup... I'm aware. But, I know that PB does NOT suck, and, just like with our new member on OSE, xlandguy or whatever his tag is... we'll talk them back down off the cliff, and get them directed down the right path, and save many of these poor souls from the brink of R/C Boating purgatory!

ProBoats heading in a good direction with the offerings the last couple of years and the new stuff. We will have to wait and see how the 6s thing plays out. If it works, 50mph should be only a number that gets passed by. That sized boat on 6s, 1800kv should hit 60mph easy. I've sold to many guys running similar setups getting similar results.

[electric]

This has been a great thread. Hey, here is my view. What is so wrong with 6s? Lower amps, cooler running, longer runtimes. What is not to like? The only thing that went wrong with 6s was poor execution by Traxxas. That does not mean that the next "6s capable boat" will suffer the same fate.

By the way, I would LOVE to see some of the better boat makers succeed like Traxxas has in the all important SALES. Only helps the hobby. Say what you will, but Traxxas has somehow tapped into the marketing engine in a big way. Excellent advertisements, great photos and video's, somehow capturing "the Look" in terms of color, graphics and shape that is causing people to want them so bad they will buy them even when others who know better howl in protest.

I say, PB, Aquacraft and others, hire their Graphics person, Marketing person etc. and keep the good quality that you already produce and you will be there. The looks of the boat bring the new people into the hobby initially and if they have a good experience, it is good for us all. If it blows up, they get frustated and leave.

[electric]

Sorry double post...

[electric]

One more thing, two much caffeine at work and the end of the day here, when I saw the Ad for the new Traxxas boat I thought why can't the "other guys" put together a boat that leaps ahead of all the others. That was the "shock" facter that Traxxas came to the scene with. 6S!!! Fastest Production Boat made!! blah blah. Say what you will, the other guys should have done it. The difference being they could have made it actually work.

Right now, why is no one producing a "bigger" boat that is at least the size of the Traxxas or bigger that flat out hauls butt and is stable? Traxxas Killer. Whatever. Compete. You need strive to jump ahead of you competition in some meaningful way.

Think it is time for a bottle of water and to calm down for the one hour drive home. Happy Boating.

[Brushless55]

This has been a great thread. Hey, here is my view. What is so wrong with 6s? Lower amps, cooler running, longer runtimes. What is not to like? The only thing that went wrong with 6s was poor execution by Traxxas. That does not mean that the next "6s capable boat" will suffer the same fate.

By the way, I would LOVE to see some of the better boat makers succeed like Traxxas has in the all important SALES. Only helps the hobby. Say what you will, but Traxxas has somehow tapped into the marketing engine in a big way. Excellent advertisements, great photos and video's, somehow capturing "the Look" in terms of color, graphics and shape that is causing people to want them so bad they will buy them even when others who know better howl in protest.

I say, PB, Aquacraft and others, hire their Graphics person, Marketing person etc. and keep the good quality that you already produce and you will be there. The looks of the boat bring the new people into the hobby initially and if they have a good experience, it is good for us all. If it blows up, they get frustated and leave.

Not sure what really to say...?
many spartans have had there motors and speed control replace, not because they want to go faster but because they want reliability..
traxxass spends more cash than anyone for marketing.. that = more sales... does not mean the are the best....
Lots of Hobbytown employees hate traxxass because they see behing the scenes and the garbage posted on traxxas forums and many getting kicked off for posting some sad facts, and not to mention there failing products they keep returning and having waranty issues all the time on traxxas stuff. etc..

I would keep eyes out for what is coming down the pipe from real companies like PB and AQ for real FE boats that are build for a purpose, and that's racing in real heats..
oh wait! some products are hitting the shelves now!!!

and 6s built right hauls the mail!

[TheShaughnessy]

i ran the stock 45 amp speedo and 1500kv geico on 5s for a while, no issues i think i was propped down in the 40 mm range. Ive ran the same motor on 6s a few times, just for kicks but again i had a 40x55 on. Also going to run the same motor at the nats with 645 prop. As long as the esc's are gonna take it, WITHOUT the need to disable the bec then i don't think the motor will have a problem. I know a guy that had a castle 2650kv in his MG on 4s and the unloaded rpms are fairly close to a 1800 on 6s.

I personally think that a Geico or Blackjack hull has no business with 6s and an 1800 kv motor. Mine was damn fast with the 1500 on 6s. Fast enough to split hulls and make me only want to run 6s.

But i guess some guys have ponds that are glass all the time and want to see just how fast they can go and there is no problem with that. As for myself the lake i run on is usually blown out by 1:30 and trying to get a 29 inch hull to go faster then 40- 45 mph can prove to be trouble some. 55 + would be near impossible.

if it gets more people interested in fe boating it can't be all that bad.

[electric]

Brushless, you miss my point. I never said they are the best, quite the opposite. All I am really saying is they know how to sell and they did hit the right nerve with the general public and sold a lot of boats. Too bad they did not work well.

Story time. Four or so year ago I had never owned a boat. I knew zero about them. I walked into a Hobby Store and saw two boats. A twin brushed motor traxxas(forget the name) and the AQ Supervee. I remember thinking wow the Traxxas boat "looks fast" then I also thought hmm two motors better than one. I almost bought the Traxxas boat. Then I asked the Hobby guy the KEY question I think most people ask when they buy their first boat . "Hey, which one is fastest" Luckily for me, they guy knew what he was doing and said "get Supervee, I have tried it and it is faster". I purchased the boat, called my brother and he bought a boat, then my brother In-law got one and about 4 years and 15 supervee's later we have had a lot of fun with them.

My point is, people know almost nothing when they buy their FIRST boat. They just find one they like (graphics, color, shape) and then ask someone, hey what is the fastest boat. Right now Traxxas is still essentially saying they are the king of the hill with their ads. So... Where is the 60mph boat? Why don't we see a 55mph boat? With a great color scheme and shape. etc. Hey, it does not have to do 60mph all day, just for 5 seconds so it registers on the GPS and they are happy.

Who is going to make the next big leap forward in speed out of box? Only the difference is with AQ or PB I would believe them when they say it.

Look, I am now racing and running multiple boats etc, but for the first time buyer who is just starting the above is what happens a lot I would guess.

Not sure what really to say...?
many spartans have had there motors and speed control replace, not because they want to go faster but because they want reliability..
traxxass spends more cash than anyone for marketing.. that = more sales... does not mean the are the best....
Lots of Hobbytown employees hate traxxass because they see behing the scenes and the garbage posted on traxxas forums and many getting kicked off for posting some sad facts, and not to mention there failing products they keep returning and having waranty issues all the time on traxxas stuff. etc..

I would keep eyes out for what is coming down the pipe from real companies like PB and AQ for real FE boats that are build for a purpose, and that's racing in real heats..
oh wait! some products are hitting the shelves now!!!

and 6s built right hauls the mail!

[electric]

Or let me put this one other way to try and make the point.
I WANT PB or AQ to produce a boat that sells better than a Traxxas because they did a great job with EVERYTHING. Meaning. The boat goes Faster than a Traxxas and is Reliable AND the graphics look great, the ads are great, the video that sells it is great. To compete and win they need to do so at ALL levels, not only the boat itself. Make sense??

I am actually their biggest fan(AQ and PB) and want them to do well.

[Stinger9D9]

Or let me put this one other way to try and make the point.
I WANT PB or AQ to produce a boat that sells better than a Traxxas because they did a great job with EVERYTHING. Meaning. The boat goes Faster than a Traxxas and is Reliable AND the graphics look great, the ads are great, the video that sells it is great. To compete and win they need to do so at ALL levels, not only the boat itself. Make sense??

I am actually their biggest fan(AQ and PB) and want them to do well.

If you want AQ or PB to outsell the few boats Traxxas markets (which I'm sure they already do)...ok, if you want them to outsell Traxxas by a wider margin, it's a matter of customer education.

This is a case of the product with the most advertising getting the most attention. To say Traxxas "marine" products are a joke is an understatement. When has Traxxas even made a boat that can be competitive in a recognized IMPBA or NAMBA racing class. Ever?

We are now in a generation of "I want it now". Kids (and many adults) don't care to do the legwork to figure out which product is best, they'd rather write a blank check, or pull out the plastic and buy what they think is best. There's no patience, there's certainly not enough patience to build anything. Tweaking props and setups to get the most out of 4S? HA! Why not just throw in 6S and see what happens? It's much easier than figuring out how things are properly done.

Think about it, when was the last time a kid asked if you built a boat you are running at the local pond? The question I always get is "where did you buy that"? No one wants to be bothered, they just grab the shiniest box and walk out the door.

As long as that mentality prevails, the company with the slickest advertising (and not necessarily the best product) will always sell more than they have any right to.

[Diesel6401]

If you want AQ or PB to outsell the few boats Traxxas markets (which I'm sure they already do)...ok, if you want them to outsell Traxxas by a wider margin, it's a matter of customer education.

This is a case of the product with the most advertising getting the most attention. To say Traxxas "marine" products are a joke is an understatement. When has Traxxas even made a boat that can be competitive in a recognized IMPBA or NAMBA racing class. Ever?

We are now in a generation of "I want it now". Kids (and many adults) don't care to do the legwork to figure out which product is best, they'd rather write a blank check, or pull out the plastic and buy what they think is best. There's no patience, there's certainly not enough patience to build anything. Tweaking props and setups to get the most out of 4S? HA! Why not just throw in 6S and see what happens? It's much easier than figuring out how things are properly done.

Think about it, when was the last time a kid asked if you built a boat you are running at the local pond? The question I always get is "where did you buy that"? No one wants to be bothered, they just grab the shiniest box and walk out the door.

As long as that mentality prevails, the company with the slickest advertising (and not necessarily the best product) will always sell more than they have any right to.

Very well spoken!

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[Brushless55]

If you want AQ or PB to outsell the few boats Traxxas markets (which I'm sure they already do)...ok, if you want them to outsell Traxxas by a wider margin, it's a matter of customer education.

This is a case of the product with the most advertising getting the most attention. To say Traxxas "marine" products are a joke is an understatement. When has Traxxas even made a boat that can be competitive in a recognized IMPBA or NAMBA racing class. Ever?

We are now in a generation of "I want it now". Kids (and many adults) don't care to do the legwork to figure out which product is best, they'd rather write a blank check, or pull out the plastic and buy what they think is best. There's no patience, there's certainly not enough patience to build anything. Tweaking props and setups to get the most out of 4S? HA! Why not just throw in 6S and see what happens? It's much easier than figuring out how things are properly done.

Think about it, when was the last time a kid asked if you built a boat you are running at the local pond? The question I always get is "where did you buy that"? No one wants to be bothered, they just grab the shiniest box and walk out the door.

As long as that mentality prevails, the company with the slickest advertising (and not necessarily the best product) will always sell more than they have any right to.

Very well spoken!

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got to say I fully agree!

and lets not forget the big delay with the sunk spart they could not even come up with there own name for it.. they had to copy that as well "TITAN"
and in tipical traxxas forum what ever, they deleted every thread I talked about, of them taking the Titan name...

[electric]

stinger9D9"
As long as that mentality prevails, the company with the slickest advertising (and not necessarily the best product) will always sell more than they have any right to. "

I agree with this statement. That is the world we live in, so why not do those things well (advertising, slickest etc), but also BUILD a great product.

On the racing topic, we have to realize only a small tiny percentage actually show up and join a club to race. Racing is good, because it moves knowledge forward in design and peformance and has a role to play. This is not unlike any other sport(car racing etc.).

Again, my real world example is, I really enjoy the hobby and actually got in the car one day and went to a club event (HOTMBC/Houston) and now participate in racing and running as much as practical(Family/Kids comes first). I have worked on my brother and brother Inlaw for four years and they just do not have the interest in going up to that next level, yet they are more than happy to run the boats for fun and do family races etc. These are the customers that all the large scale builders should be geared to. That group, tends for the "cool" looking boat that goes "faster" than the rest. Make it reliable to and you have a home run.

Have you noticed (Atomik) just came out with this large scale cat(who has not noticed?). What they did (I am guessing) is looked at the market and say "Hey, where is the large scale boat that is electric?". This is industry leading in that it is the first "Big" electric boat you can buy that is somewhat mass produced and fiberglass(There are some plastic ones out there). This is a big deal. It brings another type of person in the Hobby who says I want the "Biggest" boat. Or it catches the attention of the gas guys who are used to a larger scale and probably prefer that. We can argue about electronics in it, the speed, the reliability, price point etc., but the main point (to me) is they did it first. Brings more people into the Hobby and it is good for all of us.

One other thing. I look at those "big" gas boats racing at the meets and I think, hmmm... wonder if we will see the electrics running at that scale down the road. I know a few are already at that level, and as the prices come down we may shift to that size as well.

So now back to the title of the topic, 6s. I am all for it so long as it is fast, looks good, reliable, and brings more people in for the fun!