Obsession with 6s

[properchopper]

stinger9D9"
As long as that mentality prevails, the company with the slickest advertising (and not necessarily the best product) will always sell more than they have any right to. "

I agree with this statement. That is the world we live in, so why not do those things well (advertising, slickest etc), but also BUILD a great product.

On the racing topic, we have to realize only a small tiny percentage actually show up and join a club to race. Racing is good, because it moves knowledge forward in design and peformance and has a role to play. This is not unlike any other sport(car racing etc.).

Again, my real world example is, I really enjoy the hobby and actually got in the car one day and went to a club event (HOTMBC/Houston) and now participate in racing and running as much as practical(Family/Kids comes first). I have worked on my brother and brother Inlaw for four years and they just do not have the interest in going up to that next level, yet they are more than happy to run the boats for fun and do family races etc. These are the customers that all the large scale builders should be geared to. That group, tends for the "cool" looking boat that goes "faster" than the rest. Make it reliable to and you have a home run.

Have you noticed (Atomik) just came out with this large scale cat(who has not noticed?). What they did (I am guessing) is looked at the market and say "Hey, where is the large scale boat that is electric?". This is industry leading in that it is the first "Big" electric boat you can buy that is somewhat mass produced and fiberglass(There are some plastic ones out there). This is a big deal. It brings another type of person in the Hobby who says I want the "Biggest" boat. Or it catches the attention of the gas guys who are used to a larger scale and probably prefer that. We can argue about electronics in it, the speed, the reliability, price point etc., but the main point (to me) is they did it first. Brings more people into the Hobby and it is good for all of us.

One other thing. I look at those "big" gas boats racing at the meets and I think, hmmm... wonder if we will see the electrics running at that scale down the road. I know a few are already at that level, and as the prices come down we may shift to that size as well.

So now back to the title of the topic, 6s. I am all for it so long as it is fast, looks good, reliable, and brings more people in for the fun!

I realize this is a thread on 6S - I'll get to that in a moment. I'm not so sure the Atomic will do any good at all for the hobby, as stated above. Really, spending $1199 plus having to invest in batteries, charger, power supply et. al. and then have it cruise around at 40 mph might be a major disappointment (especially if any of the new breed of $350 +/- rtr's run circles around it on the pond). It's severly underpowered with a "whopping" (their word choice) 2000 watt / 120 amp powerplant { for comparison, a Leopard 4074 puts out 2600W; a 4065 puts out 2000W - imagine either motor in a 58" boat !!}and, as many owners of similiar biggie rtr's find out, making it run much faster is shockingly expensive. Not to mention that the fiberglass hull , if it's like most of the other Chinese cats, won't take a lot of punishment before it falls apart. And FINALLY, the ad hype states that it's "expandable" to 12S. I'm sure Atomic's legal department thought hard about what word to use and "expandable" seemed safe enough to use.
I can't see how creations like this help the hobby; I've witnessed two such boats show up where I run and have seen firsthand the sad disappointment on the faces of the happy new owners as it sinks in that they just threw away some tall bucks on a waterborne slug with pretty decals.

[electric]

I realize this is a thread on 6S - I'll get to that in a moment. I'm not so sure the Atomic will do any good at all for the hobby, as stated above. Really, spending $1199 plus having to invest in batteries, charger, power supply et. al. and then have it cruise around at 40 mph might be a major disappointment (especially if any of the new breed of $350 +/- rtr's run circles around it on the pond). It's severley underpowered with a "whopping" 2000 watt / 120 amp powerplant and, as many owners of similiar biggie rtr's find out, making it run much faster is shockingly expensive. Not to mention that the fiberglass hull , if it's like most of the other Chinese cats, won't take a lot of punishment before it falls apart. And FINALLY, the ad hype states that it's "expandable" to 12S. I'm sure Atomic's legal department thought hard about what word to use and "expandable" seemed safe enough to use.
I can't see how creations like this help the hobby; I've witnessed two such boats show up where I run and see firsthand the sad disappointment on the faces of the happy new owners as it sinks in that they just threw away some tall bucks on a waterborne slug.

Yeah, I try not to comment on things good or bad that I have not personally run or seen run for myself. The fact is though, it does have to work well too. No argument on that.

[Diesel6401]

I realize this is a thread on 6S - I'll get to that in a moment. I'm not so sure the Atomic will do any good at all for the hobby, as stated above. Really, spending $1199 plus having to invest in batteries, charger, power supply et. al. and then have it cruise around at 40 mph might be a major disappointment (especially if any of the new breed of $350 +/- rtr's run circles around it on the pond). It's severley underpowered with a "whopping" 2000 watt / 120 amp powerplant and, as many owners of similiar biggie rtr's find out, making it run much faster is shockingly expensive. Not to mention that the fiberglass hull , if it's like most of the other Chinese cats, won't take a lot of punishment before it falls apart. And FINALLY, the ad hype states that it's "expandable" to 12S. I'm sure Atomic's legal department thought hard about what word to use and "expandable" seemed safe enough to use.
I can't see how creations like this help the hobby; I've witnessed two such boats show up where I run and see firsthand the sad disappointment on the faces of the happy new owners as it sinks in that they just threw away some tall bucks on a waterborne slug.

That's a big issue. Once that smile turns into utter disappointment many are likely to leave this side of the hobby and prob pursue land vehicles where, amp draw, motor temps and proper setup are relatively not priority but cheap speed is first and foremost.

[Stinger9D9]

...waterborne slug with pretty decals.

Now that's funny! I may need to shorten that into an acronym WSPD for all those wastes of money.

I bet if you put a slick enough logo together and a pretty box without telling people what those letters stand for, you could market it and sell a bunch!

I can see it now, the Traxxas Spartan WSPD Edition!

[properchopper]

Now that's funny! I may need to shorten that into an acronym WSPD for all those wastes of money.

I bet if you put a slick enough logo together and a pretty box without telling people what those letters stand for, you could market it and sell a bunch!

I can see it now, the Traxxas Spartan WSPD Edition!

And with every new WSPD Edition purchase, a FREE "ZSP-WTS CLUB" T-Shirt - [Zoom-Splash-Plop / What's That Smell ?]

[Diesel6401]

I don't need no stinking 6s lol

[Brushless55]

that's the way it's done!
great job..

[Steven Vaccaro]

I don't need no stinking 6s lol

Thats a good job with 4s. And you earned a pat on the back for working to make your boat better. For racing its a must because you have to work within the 4s parameters. But with sport boating and 6s I can set up a crappy boat to run that speed and a DF Cat to run 70mph without breaking a sweat.

[keithbradley]

I don't need no stinking 6s lol

You do if you wanna go this fast. What you don't need, though, is anything bigger than 3665s.

Sorry bro, I had to. I took it from all you guys in that thread, and then everyone dissapeared when the videos started coming.

[Diesel6401]

You do if you wanna go this fast. What you don't need, though, is anything bigger than 3665s.

Sorry bro, I had to. I took it from all you guys in that thread, and then everyone dissapeared when the videos started coming.

Lmbo... true story.. if u would have said "this is Keith" everyone would have shut up. U didn't mention that part until the vid and everyone seen it was your lake.

Trying to push 4s. Don't have the $$$$ for a new motor and packs. I sold my old 5s and 6s packs

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[Diesel6401]

Thats a good job with 4s. And you earned a pat on the back for working to make your boat better. For racing its a must because you have to work within the 4s parameters. But with sport boating and 6s I can set up a crappy boat to run that speed and a DF Cat to run 70mph without breaking a sweat.

Thanks for the pat kind sir.

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[keithbradley]

Hahaha... I just let everyone go off and say their piece. I didn't intend on being mis-leading, I just didn't announce myself I guess.

The mono looks like it gets around pretty quickly on 4s power. What are you running for a motor?

[Diesel6401]

Threw me off for sure. If I would have known it was you I would have just shut-up and grabbed some popcorn lol...

Its a leo 4074 2200kv. I'm getting frustraed with the motor heating up. It was a very hot day yesterday and the water was warm, but she's getting toasty. Batteries and esc no issue whatsoever with heat, motor however is a different story. I would like to keep it a 4s spartan killer which I love :D or a few different options:

* save for a neu 1515 2200kv
* drop down to 1700-1800kv 4082 leo and run 4s2p then save for some new 5s packs for 5s2p.
* try a leo 4082 2200kv or one of those TP 4082 2400kv (I think that's the size).


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[keithbradley]

Threw me off for sure. If I would have known it was you I would have just shut-up and grabbed some popcorn lol...

Its a leo 4074 2200kv. I'm getting frustraed with the motor heating up. It was a very hot day yesterday and the water was warm, but she's getting toasty. Batteries and esc no issue whatsoever with heat, motor however is a different story. I would like to keep it a 4s spartan killer which I love :D or a few different options:

* save for a neu 1515 2200kv
* drop down to 1700-1800kv 4082 leo and run 4s2p then save for some new 5s packs for 5s2p.
* try a leo 4082 2200kv or one of those TP 4082 2400kv (I think that's the size).


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Are the ends sealed or vented on your Leopards?

[Diesel6401]

Sealed.
I do have a "suspected bad motor" I scrapped. I could take the endbell of and vent it myself. Never thought of that. I also could try a converted computer fan to the end to pull heat out. I used it on a CC1717 I vented and it worked rather well.

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