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  • Dr. Jet
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Sep 2007
    • 1707

    #271
    Do not use the template I posted. My hull arrived today and I’m going to revise it slightly. My hole came out oversized (easy to fix), and I will re-do it in a day or two. Using the revised template, mark and cut out the stuffing tube hole in the tunnel floor. Mark the deck opening as shown in the photograph and cut it out. Keep the scrap for future use. NOTE: It is important that the “lip” that remains in the hatch opening be as small as practical. 1/8” is adequate. If this lip is too big, the upper deck will not fit properly on the center bulkhead, and you will have problems installing the batteries and accessing equipment. Sometimes Randy’s hulls need some final trimming. If you look closely, you can see a trim line in the plastic. Mark this with a Sharpie pen and trim to that line (sorry for the blurry photo, but you get the idea).

    After the cutting has been completed on the hull and deck, perform a test-fit on the framework. Adjust the stuffing tube hole if necessary. Don’t worry if it gets a little too large, the tunnel floor reinforcement will help fill any gaps. Since the corners of the hull are somewhat rounded, some sanding may be necessary on the framework edges and corners to get a good fit, especially at the bottom of the transom/stringer joint. Add a small piece of triangular stock to the stringer/transom joint to strengthen this area.

    Inspect the area where the turn fin will attach. Glue the turn fin doublers (2 each) to the bulkhead. Depending on how things fit, you may want to glue the doublers on one side of the bulkhead or the other, so that you have a good contact with the hull at that point. See photo. I did one on each side. Attach the rudder doubler to the transom as shown in the photo (I’ll post this photo later). Once you are satisfied with the fit of the frame, paint the entire framework with thin epoxy. The slower setting the epoxy, the better. I use a 4:1 mix epoxy with the “fast” (8-hour) hardener from Diversified Materials in La Mesa, California. You can order this from their website.

    Using some medium-grade sandpaper, roughen up the inside of the tunnel floor and clean with denatured alcohol. Spray a very light mist of 3M-77 glue on the tunnel floor. I mask off this area and spray the glue into the air a few feet above the hull, allowing just a fine mist to fall on the tunnel floor. You are not using this glue to attach the fabric; rather, it is just to make it tacky and keep the fabric from moving around as you apply the epoxy and framework. Cut out some fiberglass cloth or carbon fiber mat so that it goes from the transom to the front of the tunnel, and extends past the sides of the tunnel floor by about ¼” or so (1/2” to ¾” in the sponson area is acceptable). Carefully place the reinforcement on the tunnel floor and smooth it down into place, being careful to avoid wrinkles or fraying the edges. Cut a slit in the fabric for the stuffing tube.

    Using a small paintbrush, apply some thin epoxy onto the fabric with a paint brush, again being careful to avoid wrinkles and/or fraying. You only want to wet-out the fabric, not have pools of epoxy on the floor. Then, use a paper towel to blot-up the excess epoxy. This helps stick the fabric to the floor and soak up excess epoxy (weight). Run a small bead of expanding polyurethane glue on the forward underside of the front cross-member. While the epoxy on the tunnel floor is still wet, insert the framework, and use clamps, weights, tape, or a strategically placed drop of CA (in the sponson bottoms) to hold things in place while the epoxy goes off. Exercise care to guarantee the hull is “square” as the epoxy goes off. When the epoxy has cured, go back and fill any small gaps in the framework/hull joint with epoxy. Big gaps can be filled with thickened epoxy or expanding polyurethane glue. Be certain you have a good joint at the turn fin doubler. Fill the gap between the framework transom and the hull transom with thickened epoxy or polyurethane glue. Pay close attention to the rudder area. You want this as solid as possible. Fill any gaps in the tunnel floor/stuffing tube joint with thickened epoxy.
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    Last edited by Dr. Jet; 08-28-2008, 11:56 PM.
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    • Dr. Jet
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Sep 2007
      • 1707

      #272
      More photos for Peells' edification.

      Really sharp turn fin and rudder (turtle slicers).
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      Last edited by Dr. Jet; 08-29-2008, 12:17 AM.
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      • JimClark
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Apr 2007
        • 5907

        #273
        Hey Doc do you have what the completed boat weighs RTR? I think I am going to scratch build myself a 16 or 17 inch hawaii Kai.

        JIm
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        • peells
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 716

          #274
          Pictures speak a thousand words, Thanks for the edification it is sooooo good, what is the substance on the end of the frame increasing the dimension to both sides of it at the end, maybe it is too early to be typing for me but it kind of looks like lead.
          Peter Eells; Fun, and Helping others To Have Fun!!!
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          • Dr. Jet
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Sep 2007
            • 1707

            #275
            Jim,

            The MTH is 392 grams without battery and the turbine cowl. The MHZ hull is 320 grams without battery.
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            • Dr. Jet
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Sep 2007
              • 1707

              #276
              Originally posted by peells
              ...., what is the substance on the end of the frame increasing the dimension to both sides of it at the end, maybe it is too early to be typing for me but it kind of looks like lead.
              It is actually two 1/32" plywood doublers, one on each side. It might look like lead because I used a BIG drop of CA and hit it with some kicker.
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              • JimClark
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Apr 2007
                • 5907

                #277
                What about the weight completely ready to run with all the cowls and electronics and batteries? I was kind of thinking of doing a 17 inch shovelnose but may shrink it to 16 inches and use mostly balsa with 1/64th ply on the bottom and running surfaces and balsa on the deck. Hopefully carve a plug for the cowl and get one of several people I know to to vacuum form it for me.
                I bought one of the motor/ESC combo's last night

                Jim
                "Our society strives to avoid any possibility of offending anyone except God.
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                • J Solinger
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 197

                  #278
                  Thank you Dr. Jet, the frame set arrived safe and sound. I won't get around to doing the build for a while but this is gonna be cool.
                  Joe Solinger

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                  • Dr. Jet
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 1707

                    #279
                    Originally posted by JimClark
                    What about the weight completely ready to run with all the cowls and electronics and batteries? I was kind of thinking of doing a 17 inch shovelnose but may shrink it to 16 inches and use mostly balsa with 1/64th ply on the bottom and running surfaces and balsa on the deck. Hopefully carve a plug for the cowl and get one of several people I know to to vacuum form it for me.
                    I bought one of the motor/ESC combo's last night

                    Jim
                    Jim,

                    The RTR weight depends on your particular battery. The weights I gave include radio, motor, ESC, servo, Velcro, rudder, driveshaft, prop, rudder linkage, turn fin, and antenna. The ride pads I put on add a few grams to that total as well.

                    I use several different batteries from 1300 mah up to 1850 mah so the total all-up weight of my boat varies. Randy sells this hull with turbine or piston cowls. The turbine cowl probably adds 30 to 50 grams, since you effectively have two separate cowls on one hull. The piston cowl is a single cowl. I'm going to "modify" the turbine cowl to improve the appearance somewhat, and maybe shave a couple of grams. That small weight savings may be offset by painting it.

                    I think a wood hull could come in a a lighter weight, if you are careful on material selection and structure. The straight shaft is probably a few grams lighter than a strut.
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                    • Sneasle
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 197

                      #280
                      When did you order your hulls Dr. J? I was hoping mine would of made it in today. I haven't gotten my motor/esc's yet either.




                      Hopefully in the next few days.

                      edit:

                      Did you say you were running 2s or 3s packs?
                      Last edited by Sneasle; 08-30-2008, 12:44 AM.

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                      • Dr. Jet
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 1707

                        #281
                        The motors ship from Asia, so they take a while. I may have ordered hulls from Randy before you. Again, shipping takes a few days.
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                        • Dr. Jet
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 1707

                          #282
                          Sneak Previews of Things to Come

                          Here is where I'm going with this build. I want it to look a little nicer than your typical vacuum-formed boat. I will replace the hatch with a sheet of styrene and attach a turbine exhaust to that hatch. I'll also have to add a small blister to clear the motor. I modified the front of the turbine hatch with a bit from the old hatch to give it a more "rounded" look on the bottom. Then, I cut off the exhaust portion on the curbine cowl; and using a heat gun, carefully heated and squeezed the ends of the shortened cowl closer together. Randy had to make the cowl somewhat large to clear the "blister" on the stock hatch.
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                          • JimClark
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 5907

                            #283
                            Sure wish Randy would finish his shovelnose plug so there could be a shovelnose micro also. Maybe I should offer to finish it for him.

                            Jim
                            "Our society strives to avoid any possibility of offending anyone except God.
                            Billy Graham

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                            • Sneasle
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 197

                              #284
                              Originally posted by JimClark
                              Sure wish Randy would finish his shovelnose plug so there could be a shovelnose micro also. Maybe I should offer to finish it for him.

                              Jim
                              that would be awesome!

                              I'd buy one.

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                              • dostacos
                                Member
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 76

                                #285
                                Originally posted by Sneasle
                                that would be awesome!

                                I'd buy one.
                                me too

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