1/6th Scale Crackerbox - Ruleset

[sailr]

Darin, I am NOT questioning the hull rules. A manufacturer, who doesn't do email or otherwise do COMPUTER asked me to find out about some items. I got two responses on this thread. One that says they don't see why not if allowed by APBA and another that says No. No problem! I just need to let the guy know before he produces his kit! Got it?

MY problem is with the strut...which you say you can understand. But every time somebody brings up the question about the strut, people on here go ballastic and intimate we are stupid or something if we don't agree with subsurface drive! I've had it because of the attitude. Randy has the BEST idea. Let's vote on it. If subsurface wins, so be it, but don't just shut us out because some of you are saying it's my football, if you don't play by my rules I'm taking my football and going home! Jeeeez. YOU, Darin are blowing things out of proportion as it seems you are wont to do frequently. Yes, you build nice boats and you win a lot of races. You are admired for your talents. But remember, 95% of model boaters do not race. I fear you have elevated yourself to a station above that most people care about. A little more humility might serve you well.

SERIOUSLY??? A "technical nightmare???

They are FLAT BOTTOM boats... I'm not sure how much simpler it can get than that...

Whatever... For starters... "we" haven't turned anything into ANYTHING... It's not even a class... Secondly, the rules posted above are only a FIRST DRAFT... a suggested starting point... and they are BASED ON the 1/4-scale Gas rules, with some 1/10th scale thrown in where applicable... Last time I checked, the Gas guys don't have any technical prowess over us FE guys... funny how they seem to be able to figure out their hulls...

I think some of you are blowing this all out of proportion... Started out with the struts, which I can actually somewhat understand... but now you've taken it into wanting to change the STANDARD hull rules... I think it's YOU that have taken this too far... But WHATEVER... do as you must...

[blizard05]

I have built 4 1/4 scale (zipp kits) C bpxes , 3, 1/10 scale, I vote for the shaft under,close to the hull,like the gas C boxes. I have no problem with the hull, after all IT IS a cracker box , and a c box is a c box....

[sailr]

Randy,

Great idea, but I fear you will just tick off the "rule kings" by hinting they are not Gods!

My point is we want a class that is fun AND quite raceable. It will attract a lot of the less initiated and those that don't wish to have an upside down boat every time they run.

OK "rulers", let's see how "democratic" you can be.

I VOTE FOR STRUT BEHIND THE BOAT. NO STINGERS. BETTER YET, MAKE IT OPTIONAL. EITHER WAY, SUBSURFACE DRIVE OR TRADITIONAL STRUT.

Lets put the strut placement to a vote. This world is a Democratic. Just because you are CD for the Nats does not make you god! Just my Opinion, But I am loosing respect for you due to your bull headedness over this issue. When I met you at the Nats you did not look like this person you project on the web. It is only fair, I did this when I was CD. Be the good person I met at the Nats.

[blizard05]

I vote for strut mounted on transom, shaft under NOT through the transom, no hardware more than 2 5/8 behind transom

[Flyguy55]

[QUOTE=sailr; I got two responses on this thread. One that says they don't see why not if allowed by APBA and another that says No. No problem! I just need to let the guy know before he produces his kit! Got it?"

Salir you are repeating information the is inaccurate .
I raced inboard Runabouts ( monos ) and tunnels for many years .

APBA Inboard general racing rules

RULE 40 - GENERAL TECHNICAL
40.1 No form of outboard motor or outdrives (installed outboard or inboard) including any form of detachable motor either fastened to the transom or
placed in a well shall be permitted.

APBA Crackerbox rules do not allow nontrips or transom mounted struts .

BTW , all boats raced in the inboard division run straight shafts and struts under the hull .


For the " 95 % " who don't race , it doesent really matter where they put the strut does it ? they can mount it anywhere they want to .
and your friends kits will still sell.

Those of us who plan on racing will build to the rules however they are written.

My vote is to wait till I and others have built and run our protoypes and see how they run .

Anyone interested can find the APBA inboard rules including the CB rulles at [url]http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010INBOARD.pdf[/url]

[sailr]

You miss the point completely. We are not building SCALE boats. The gas guys already run them with outboard struts. The ruleset referred to was hull design regarding strakes, trips, etc. We want as many people racing as possible. The 95% that don't travel to meets and race still may race at their own or local clubs. There should be some sort of consistency.

If you want to build a boat according to ABPA rules, go do it. Very few of the classes we run adhere to full scale rules. Why should this one?



[QUOTE=Flyguy55;145922]

http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010INBOARD.pdf[/url]

[sailr]

We need an actual VOTE, not rhetoric:

So far

Strut behind the boat: 2
Strut under the boat: Not sure. 2..3..?

Please actually vote and I will keep this updated.

Randy?

[Darin Jordan]

But remember, 95% of model boaters do not race. I fear you have elevated yourself to a station above that most people care about. A little more humility might serve you well.

Would it not make sense then, that those 95% of the people can build their boats however they see fit?

This has nothing to do with humility, and the next time you hear me brag about any of my achievements, you can slap my hand... I think you are confusing passion and an opinion with a lack of humility, which is nonsense...

Again, I don't give a rip what you guys do with the rules... settle it and let me know what they are... However, if people aren't really planning on racing in this class, perhaps they should refrain from getting involved in making the rules for said class.... It's those of us who really pay our entry fees that this stuff matters for...

[teach]

I don't get it. This hodgepodge of rules was thrown together by a group of people who are planning to come to Colorado next August. As far as I know it's not meant to go into the NAMBA rulebook. Just a filler class so folks who travel this far could get in some extra racing. There is no grand prize for entering this class. No "national champ". Just something extra for 10 or so folks who plan on getting together next year.

So please tell me what I am missing?

[highndry]

This is still a 'forum', right ??

[Darin Jordan]

So please tell me what I am missing?

You aren't missing anything... It's just another discussion. These kind always go this way... We'll all have beers together when it's all said and done...

[teach]

Phew

[Jeepers]

sailr I have a question for you? are you coming to the 2010 Colorado FE Nationals?
If not then these rules DO NOT effect you. Build your own way, show them how its done or follow these PROPOSED rules and see what happens.

Personally I think the gas guys ran out of ideas to make Cboxs run right and use the strut on the back as a crutch IMO, which I am entitled to...


OH and the title of THIS thread is 1/6 SCALEcracker box these guys are trying to follow the straight shaft set up.

Personally I vote for straight shaft, it makes the boat a wild ride. But I am not gonna race them so I don't really care.

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[blizard05]

I'm going to build the hull, per specs ,(31 by 9 3/4 and wait until the dust clears, for the drive set up..... Larry