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  • siberianhusky
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Dec 2009
    • 2187

    #136
    I do enjoy it and enjoy it much more on quality analog format.
    I can hear Miles Davis breath on vinyl, why can't I hear that on digitally remastered cd?
    Listen top Stevie Ray on Little Wing, analog you can here his amp hum in the quieter passages, not on CD. Any idea how many harmonics are eliminated when they "clean it up"
    There is a reason people who really like their music spend big money on turntables and tube 2 channel amps. Modern digital technology is simply not the best! Media and marketing just claim it is and people with no clue just accept it.
    When I listen to music I actually sit down and listen, to all of it. It's a wonderful experience to really hear music in it's full tone and richness.
    No point in argueing, you'll never understand what I'm talking about. Like explaining green to a blind person.
    There are some new lossless digital formats on the horizon and becoming available, the file sizes are larger. There has to be some kind of logic behind this change away from the current format. The logic? Better sound quality maybe?

    Lossless compressed audio formats

    A lossless compressed format stores data in less space by eliminating unnecessary data.
    Uncompressed audio formats encode both sound and silence with the same number of bits per unit of time. Encoding an uncompressed minute of absolute silence produces a file of the same size as encoding an uncompressed minute of music. In a lossless compressed format, however, the music would occupy a smaller portion of the file and the silence would take up almost no space at all.
    Lossless compression formats enable the original uncompressed data to be recreated exactly. They include the common[5] FLAC, WavPack, Monkey's Audio, ALAC (Apple Lossless). They provide a compression ratio of about 2:1 (i.e. their files take up half the space of the originals). Development in lossless compression formats aims to reduce processing time while maintaining a good compression ratio.
    [edit]Lossy compressed audio formats

    Lossy compression enables even greater reductions in file size by removing some of the data. Lossy compression typically achieves far greater compression but somewhat reduced quality than lossless compression by simplifying the complexities of the data.[6] A variety of techniques are used, mainly by exploiting psychoacoustics, to remove data with minimal reduction in the quality of reproduction. For many everyday listening situations, the loss in data (and thus quality) is imperceptible. The popular MP3 format is probably the best-known example, but the AAC format found on the iTunes Music Store is also common. Most formats offer a range of degrees of compression, generally measured in bit rate. The lower the rate, the smaller the file and the more significant the quality loss.
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    • dana
      Banned
      • Mar 2010
      • 3573

      #137
      I understand the differences. Turntables have advantages and disadvantages. But if we're talking about songwriting, I don't see how audio quality makes a difference. Far fewer people give a crap about hearing the humm of an amp in a recording than you think. Personally I like to hear a nice clean sound opposed to a live sound with a buncha noise muddying it up from old amps and such. Just my opinion. Also I think it depends on the music style you like. Vinyl has no place in modern metal IMO.

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      • dana
        Banned
        • Mar 2010
        • 3573

        #138
        And one more thing, let's not forget that downloading music is much more environmentally friendly. Manufacturing vinyl, cds, tapes etc....creates ALOT of chemical waste, where downloads do not.

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        • siberianhusky
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Dec 2009
          • 2187

          #139
          I get it now! I completely get where you are coming from now and agree with you regarding metal, it really makes no difference if you're listening to it mp3 or cd, Ipod or 25 000$ stereo!
          If my boats upside down then who owns the one I thought I was driving the last two laps?

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          • siberianhusky
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Dec 2009
            • 2187

            #140
            I buy a lot of vinyl that would otherwise be thrown in a dump just because somebody decided a MP3 is better for the environment.
            My turntable is well over 30 years old, is it more environmentally sound to throw it away and all my vinyl then replace it with a computer and downloaded music that is a lower quality?
            I will be able to pass my tube amp on to somebody eventually, it is completely repairable. can you say that about whatever transistorized disposable 10 000 watt 9.2 surround sound crap you own?
            Sounds to me like my approach is a hell of a lot more environmentally friendly than yours.
            Is it better to buy a Vintage guitar or a new one that they will need to cut down trees to build?
            My newest guitar was built in 1986. My oldest '63. Should I buy a new disposable amp or recycle an old one that is worth more every day and can be repaired endlessly if required?
            If my boats upside down then who owns the one I thought I was driving the last two laps?

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            • Rumdog
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Mar 2009
              • 6453

              #141
              I like to wear my turntable in a backpack when I go snowboard. It works really well, and the extra 10-15 lbs. doesn't really bother me. If I lay on my stomach just right and have a friend start it up i can even hear music.

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              • dana
                Banned
                • Mar 2010
                • 3573

                #142
                Originally posted by Rumdog
                I like to wear my turntable in a backpack when I go snowboard. It works really well, and the extra 10-15 lbs. doesn't really bother me. If I lay on my stomach just right and have a friend start it up i can even hear music.
                lol yup

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                • Flying Scotsman
                  Fast Electric Adict!
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 5190

                  #143
                  Dana, you do not just get it...vinyl rules with good equipment...cd next and MP3 is a very distant way off and my audio system cost would put a kid through university!

                  Douggie


                  Originally posted by dana
                  And one more thing, let's not forget that downloading music is much more environmentally friendly. Manufacturing vinyl, cds, tapes etc....creates ALOT of chemical waste, where downloads do not.

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                  • dana
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 3573

                    #144
                    Originally posted by siberianhusky
                    I buy a lot of vinyl that would otherwise be thrown in a dump just because somebody decided a MP3 is better for the environment.
                    My turntable is well over 30 years old, is it more environmentally sound to throw it away and all my vinyl then replace it with a computer and downloaded music that is a lower quality?
                    I will be able to pass my tube amp on to somebody eventually, it is completely repairable. can you say that about whatever transistorized disposable 10 000 watt 9.2 surround sound crap you own?
                    Sounds to me like my approach is a hell of a lot more environmentally friendly than yours.
                    Is it better to buy a Vintage guitar or a new one that they will need to cut down trees to build?
                    My newest guitar was built in 1986. My oldest '63. Should I buy a new disposable amp or recycle an old one that is worth more every day and can be repaired endlessly if required?
                    im not saying you have to throw your vinyl away. you can keep it too…. get a grip.
                    i own one surround sound system thats almost 10 years old and still working, but they are capable of more than just two channel left right listening, for more entertainment options.
                    i hardly would call your approach more enviromentally friendly, im just saying producing more vinyl and what not wouldnt help, it would just add to whats already there.
                    ipod lets me have thousands of songs at my fingertip without the need to take up a wall in my house with clutter.
                    personally i prefer a custom guitar, weather it ba made today or 50 years ago is irrelivent. buy what you like the sound of…. i prefer more processed tone. just because thats not what you like doesnt make it bad or wrong. ive been electricuited by many older amps, and for loud listening, tubes are the way to go. but im not playing the fleet center. most bands now use small modeling amps with a mic anyways…. the general public cant tell the difference. just enjoy the music man. heres a couple of my own designs…. the strat was made from some mahogany leftovers.IMG_0698.JPGIMG_1079.jpgIMG_0649.JPG

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                    • runzwithsizorz
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 896

                      #145
                      Come on people now, let's get together; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kckGS...eature=related
                      and maybe just hang out; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWN65...eature=related
                      I mean, Hey kids, what time is it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqnuI...eature=related

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                      • Flying Scotsman
                        Fast Electric Adict!
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 5190

                        #146
                        just a wee classic!!!! and buy the vinyl version



                        Douggie

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                        • domwilson
                          Moderator
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4408

                          #147
                          I agree that music should be enjoyed. I just enjoy a higher level of reproduction. Poor equipment can deviate from that enjoyment and not let you enjoy it the way the artist intended.
                          Music is intended to influence our moods. The introduction of varying types and levels of distortions can alter that level of influence. Each format has it's benefits and it's compromises.
                          How much you are willing to accept is a personal choice.
                          Government Moto:
                          "Why fix it? Blame someone else for breaking it."

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                          • Rumdog
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 6453

                            #148
                            I listen to music 10 hours a day minimum Mon thru Friday. In a noisy shop. I use an iphone and 150 watt iphone/ipod dock. The sound is excellent, and loud. I dont sit in a chair and listen to music. I use headphone when doing stuff outdooors. The iphone's sound quality is plenty good for me.

                            This thread used to be about music, now it seems we're more focused on sound quality. I prefer accessability and ease of use to what some consider superior sound quality.
                            Last edited by domwilson; 02-04-2012, 06:01 PM.

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                            • runzwithsizorz
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 896

                              #149
                              Originally posted by Flying Scotsman
                              just a wee classic!!!! and buy the vinyl version



                              Douggie
                              Is that a We 5 classic? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_f16...eature=related

                              One of the comments there pretty much sums it up for me, quote;
                              "Hi there. Yes, I had a real crush on Bev. As a a 12 year old in 1965,
                              So idealistic, so open to new music, language, and change. Times were different 45 years ago . . . simple, fresh, free.
                              Difficult to put into words unless personally experienced, but our yearning for a "new world"
                              was palpable. Just a sweet memory now."

                              OR, did you mean a Classics 4 classic; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fZ6...eature=related

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                              • Flying Scotsman
                                Fast Electric Adict!
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 5190

                                #150
                                Rummy, therein lies the problem....listen to a high quality system and your eyes will open wide. I have had many doubters enter my humble abode and are astonished at the quality of music reprocduction.

                                Edit...... I have an Iphone and the sound quailty is crap

                                Douggie



                                Originally posted by Rumdog
                                I listen to music 10 hours a day minimum Mon thru Friday. In a noisy shop. I use an iphone and 150 watt iphone/ipod dock. The sound is excellent, and loud. I dont sit in a chair and listen to music. I use headphone when doing stuff outdooors. The iphone's sound quality is plenty good for me.

                                This thread used to be about music, now it seems we're more focused on sound quality. I prefer accessability and ease of use to what some consider superior sound quality.
                                Last edited by Flying Scotsman; 02-04-2012, 06:10 PM.

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