Namba oval racing class changes ***

[Darin Jordan]

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NAMBA FE should be reduced to just two power levels of racing:

Up to 4S (0.1 to 16.92V)
Over 4S (17.0V to 42.3V)

All Hull types still, of course.

That would give you racing classes as follows:

P1 - Up to 4S (0.1 to 16.92V) - ANY SINGLE MOTOR. CATS are allowed to run TWINS

P1-Mono
P1-Cat
P1-Sport Hydro
P1-Hydro
P1-OPC
P1-Offshore

P2 - Over 4S (17.0V to 42.3V) - ANY SINGLE MOTOR. CATS are allowed to run TWINS

P2-Mono
P2-Cat
P2-Sport Hydro
P2-Hydro
P2-OPC
P2-Offshore

In addition, you could have "specialty" classes, like 1/10th Scale Unlimited (Classic and Modern), 1/8th Scale Unlimited, TWIN HYDRO, etc.

P-Limited, or "Spec" classes, would be club level only, rules and tech for these classes taken care of on a local club level only. And, perhaps re-evaluate Length Limits, either dropping them or opening them up slightly to give the 4S boats a little breathing room and/or to allow a larger 4S boat to put in 6S and go race in P2.

For NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP events, only official National NAMBA CLASSES would be eligible. Host clubs, could of course, include some "Exhibition" classes, announced ahead of time.

That's TWELVE regular classes, which would be run at a NATs in 2 or 3 Days, plus a few "Specialty Classes", and all the local racing with whatever local rules you want to run.

Done...

Are you seriously telling me that would NOT be enough racing for anyone out there, or that it would be somehow "not inclusive"??


OK... there... I said it. I feel better now...




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[jaike5]

Your just trying to work in the HV batteries. The # 0ne man rule ... if it ain't broke don't fix it .
There I said it,

[Fluid]

Clearly it's broken when we need nearly a week to hold an event. To much strain on the host club (if you've never held a National event keep your fingers off the keyboard, you don't know), too much effort for many racers, too expensive in money and vacation time. It isn't supposed to be a competition to see how big of an event the Nats are, that's so juvenile. It should be about quality, not quantity. The real man rule #1 is: your unit is always bigger than the next guy's.

You go Darin!



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[ray schrauwen]

Ditto ∆∆∆∆∆

[Darin Jordan]

Your just trying to work in the HV batteries. The # 0ne man rule ... if it ain't broke don't fix it .
There I said it,

Ummmmm.... better think about that for a moment, then look again. Last time I checked (like 30 seconds ago), the P1 limits wouldn't allow for HV cells @4S...

I have ALWAYS advocated for fewer more inclusive classes, ever since Lipos were introduced and performance wasn't a function directly of cell counts.

[jaike5]

Yes Nats are a mammoth under taking. I was at the Michigan nats so I get it . A huge job and helped out as much as possible with out getting in the way of their plan. Soooooo you reduce the number of classes but increase the number of heats you have to run so that every one can play, because everyone runs the same boats they always have. Unless the nats are for a few who think there s#@% don't stink.

[T.S.Davis]

Are you running a fever?
You want to run say a 6s 36" mono against a 55" 10s mono.

This will only delete all 6s boats and classes. P2 will be 10s.

I've been CD for 2 Nat's and have hosted 3. All we need to do is remove classes that are uneccessary. There is no need for N1, N2, ECO or cracker box.

[T.S.Davis]

That's 12 classes gone.

[raptor347]

How about:
1. Get rid of the lower voltage limit for P (most current N2 power systems would be better used in P sized hulls anyway).
2. Keep Q and T.
3. Dump N1, N2, eco and crackerbox.

Keeping Q and T separate has merit.

[raptor347]

Oh, allow any number of motors and keep the length limits as they are.

[photohoward1]

N1. N2. Spec. And S. Leaves P. Q. and T. Done.


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[rayzerdesigns]

No way smaller 6 s boats could compete against bigger hulls..especially in rough water.. I agree with getting rid of n1 n2 and s.. Though basically s/t can be combined.. I also think getting rid of offshore is s great idea.. Or at least change it to a 6 lap with different courses than what we have now for legal

[Darin Jordan]

How about:
1. Get rid of the lower voltage limit for P (most current N2 power systems would be better used in P sized hulls anyway).
2. Keep Q and T.
3. Dump N1, N2, eco and crackerbox.

Keeping Q and T separate has merit.

Sounds reasonable... I'm convinced.

So, basically: "up to P", Q, and Open (10S Max), all with existing length restrictions.

A place for everyone to race, and more than enough classes to fill up at least 3-Days of National Championship competition.

[T.S.Davis]

Then make the motor change for "limited" to 36x61? For a softer gentler version of P? Still fast enough to be fun but not 70 mph sport fast.

The lower voltage limit for P going away opens it up for guys that want to run 3s. No place for them now.

Get rid of the 1 cell classes too.

I would vote for all of that.

BTW, just because a class gets dumped from the rule book doesn't mean a club can't run it. The NAMBA brass always argues with me about running the class rules to be insured despite there being no text to that effect. The way around it is simply fitting boats into another power spec. A club that likes cracker-box is basically running P limited mono with additional club restrictions. The brass would have no issue with that.

Been thinking about the whole "try it for a year thing" too. When we adopted lithium polymer cells there was no club in the United States that was trial running every class in the book on lithium. So lithium was not test run for a year prior to proposal. A few classes in a few club was all that could be done. In fact looking back on it, if the brass had realized what were doing we likely would have been shut down. We may never have gotten lithium through the works. The same was true when brushless motors were included. There wasn't proof of concept in every class at every power level when that was proposed either. That change was massive too. Talk about hand wringing. Guys were birthing cows on that one.

Pointing being, there is precedence for making massive rule changes without first proving the concept.

[Darin Jordan]

Get rid of the 1 cell classes too.

Hey... watch it!

Hahahaha... Actually, that class is SAW/2-LAP only. This discussion is only for OVAL racing classes.

NO need to get crazy here.

And, I'd suggest that the Time-Trial stuff just get left alone. Doesn't affect overall participation anyhow, and the more the merrier there, in my opinion.