proboat electronics worhtless??

[tiqueman]

Boomer, have you downloaded FeCalc??? Thats a big help item. Donyt over think setups. Just shoot for your proper rpm range to figure out KV vs. voltage. Everything else will come in time. And the more you build, the more you will begin to understand and be able to figure things out. My first dabble with FE was also my first with brushless. I felt lost.. Then I got FeCalc and started puting 2 and 2 together.

Hobie, this is for you. Also a general rule of thumb, when you up the voltage, you down size in props. 5S turning a 445 or 447 may? give you issues. Start w/ a smaller prop and work your way up if amp draw and temp allow. Otherwise your going to think turnigy controllers are no good either. What prop were you spinning on the stock esc at 5S?

[JimClark]

It cracks me up that the vast majority of problems with RTR or spec gear are caused by people who either don't read the manual, or run hotter (most of the time significantly hotter) setups than the boat was designed for. Then they do nothing but complain. If you wanna try to break the sound barrier then i suggest you not buy RTR/Spec setups.
Jim

[tiqueman]

It cracks me up that the vast majority of problems with RTR or spec gear are caused by people who either don't read the manual, or run hotter (most of the time significantly hotter) setups than the boat was designed for. Then they do nothing but complain. If you wanna try to break the sound barrier then i suggest you not buy RTR/Spec setups.
Jim

Amen Brother Jim!

[jac4412]

For the stock setup... this boat cannot be any better... neither can its electronics. I've raced a few boats, and have talked to a few racers, almost everyone who has driven a MG that I know of has been extremely impressed with the boat, most agreeing its the best RTR boat out there (For a decent size FE). You can't expect that esc to run well in 4 foot chop on 6s on a 20 min runtime..... (aka you can't ask more from it than it can take, just like any other esc)

[scoota]

It cracks me up that the vast majority of problems with RTR or spec gear are caused by people who either don't read the manual, or run hotter (most of the time significantly hotter) setups than the boat was designed for. Then they do nothing but complain. If you wanna try to break the sound barrier then i suggest you not buy RTR/Spec setups.
Jim

If you all think PB escs are crap , why not buy a hull only & set it up how you like ???? i have my BJ26 esc its 4 years old & still going strong !!! Running 5s & over proping will KILL any 45 amp ESC........... I think more people should invest in data loggers to see what amps you pulling with different set ups , you might be surprised at what a few mm in prop size will do to your AMP draw ....

[LiPo Power]

I do not see anyone here that will share <<roadrashracing>> opinion.
It is simple. PB MG, Bj-26, FF, stiletto electronics are right where they shoud be.
We all know that. End of subject.....

[ray schrauwen]

...and what cells exactly was he running? if they were not up to snuff, then his esc's would not last long on 4S either.

BL ESC's do not like poor cells, the Fet's may not turn on fully and, bye bye ESC...

[ron1950]

i am running the stiletto 1800 motor in my mg with the 45a esc and no problems at all with a 640 prop.....stays very cool and all...but if it pops the esc its my fault not pb's and ill get another esc....just my 2 cents

[GP73]

I *do* have an issue with the stock Stiletto ESC and it's how the caps are connected to the PCB, there is no easy way to change them if they blow up... It would have been nicer if they made them easier to replace.

Other than that it's a very nicely built ESC and very good spec for the boat. Just make sure you add a capacitor bank before using it...

I do not see anyone here that will share <<roadrashracing>> opinion.
It is simple. PB MG, Bj-26, FF, stiletto electronics are right where they shoud be.
We all know that. End of subject.....

[JimClark]

Then swap the ESC out and you can sell the stock one to ME

I *do* have an issue with the stock Stiletto ESC and it's how the caps are connected to the PCB, there is no easy way to change them if they blow up... It would have been nicer if they made them easier to replace.

Other than that it's a very nicely built ESC and very good spec for the boat. Just make sure you add a capacitor bank before using it...

[GP73]

I fried the stock one by running the wrong motor on it...

That's how I found out about the capacitors... I still think it's a great ESC, very well packaged (too well?), I just didn't research the motor properly first.

I really like the fact that it's well sealed all the way around, I've submerged that ESC several times by flipping the Stilletto and even after sitting in water for 15-20 minutes it was still working perfectly.

The only other "flaw" I can see is the price, I can buy 2 Seaking 120A for that amount.

I would buy another if it was half the current price.

EDIT: And I'm wondering why the STLO ESC is almost double the price of the MG one...

Then swap the ESC out and you can sell the stock one to ME

[ron1950]

tell me where i can get a seaking 120 for 55 bucks pls ...i need one lol

[7500RPM]

...and what cells exactly was he running? if they were not up to snuff, then his esc's would not last long on 4S either.

BL ESC's do not like poor cells, the Fet's may not turn on fully and, bye bye ESC...

I am not taking any sides on this BUT if ESC are designed correctly and with GOOD FET's not this surface mount crap (SOIC package) that some companys like to just keep adding boards of them to get the power rating they are trying to say they can handle, then there would be less ESC failures...AND if people would use common sense about loading them...

[Darin Jordan]

The only other "flaw" I can see is the price, I can buy 2 Seaking 120A for that amount.

How many times can you "dunk" the Seaking???

[Diesel6401]

Ok, that is a good point. I've spent enough money to buy 2! Oh well, I agree, it's crazy fun for the money.
Like I said, love the way it handles, and runs. Just wish the electronics were a bit better.

Better? My opinion is the PB45amp esc is one of the best 45amp esc, way better then the stock sv45amp. If you know what your doing you can make that esc work very well. I know I'm running a stiletto motor on my 45amp esc, just using a smaller prop and changing the connectors and other need to do things.

I'm not sure. I might have over done it by running 5s, but my temps weren't hot, but then I was told heat wouldn't be the main factor. But after my smoke show, my servo started twitching all the time. So I had to replace that, then to be safe I got rid of the stock radio system and went to a tactic. I also just recieved yesterday, my new T-120, so I think I will be on the safe side. Im planning on running a 445 or 447 on 5s. I also put an Ammo 1800kv motor in it.
Oh, my esc just stopped working, no smoke or nothing. It would even program and arm properly, just wouldn't spin the motor. I grabbed my buddies, and his was the one that smoked. And even tho proboat said they would replace it, nothing has shown up. And I tried to email them again, asking about the status, and I don't even get a reply. So customer service isn't very good either. Just everything about proboat has left a bad taste in my mouth. This was my first proboat purchase, and most likely my last.

Did you change all the connectors when running 5s to 5.5mm or higher (and I mean all), did you dis-able the esc bec? Did you time your runs and check temps often? What size prop cause a 447 on a BJ motor is a whole lot of prop even on 4s.

Why down grade to a Tactic? Yes I run tactic and love them, but the MG comes with one of the best RX's on out. Hands down it's the nicest rx from any rtr and binds with any marine spectrum radio on the market. In no way am I bashing tactic, or bashing a member. Their is just a whole lot of blame game when a lot of people should point the finger at themselves. The PB esc was not designed to run 5s, it's just a bonus that it does (if you take the time and setup it correctly).

It cracks me up that the vast majority of problems with RTR or spec gear are caused by people who either don't read the manual, or run hotter (most of the time significantly hotter) setups than the boat was designed for. Then they do nothing but complain. If you wanna try to break the sound barrier then i suggest you not buy RTR/Spec setups.
Jim

I 100% agree. How many threads was their about the programming for lipos and people b*tching about it not coming programmed and all the questions related to it, when the whole situation is laid out in the manual word for word on what you need to do. Is it PB's fault that people use the product outside of their suggested setup? Where in the manual does it the say it's ok to run 5s? I bet if people read the manual and used the recommended setups their wouldn't be any issues. If I burn my controller out its my own damn fault for deviating from the suggested setups. I can't blame anyone, but myself.