Proboat Blackjack 29" V3 - new hull, 2000kv motor, 120A ESC & EC5 plugs.

[Mr_3_0_5]

What's the point of reprogramming it via the tx?

[RCBoaterGuy]

What's the point of reprogramming it via the tx? Some people prefer to do it that way.

I use the card because got used to doing that way from working R/C trucks for the past 4+ years.

Guess it boils down to personal preference - to each their own.

What's the point of reprogramming it via the tx?

[gregster82]

I only did it because I don't have the card yet. Usually all my ESC's are different than hobbywing and I just got into boats. So me itching to go drive the boat I did it the transmitter way. I got a card coming.

What's the point of reprogramming it via the tx? Some people prefer to do it that way.

I use the card because got used to doing that way from working R/C trucks for the past 4+ years.

Guess it boils down to personal preference - to each their own.

[Mr_3_0_5]

Can anyone please confirm the flex shaft size before I order some props

[RCBoaterGuy]

Flex Shaft or the prop shaft??

Most RTR's (of this size) have .150" flex's (.187" if no liner) & 3/16" prop shafts - the majority of aftermarket props in America are 3/16" smooth bore...
ABC, Grim Racer, Octura, Prather, etc. - I honestly cannot see why PB would stray off course for this boat. Doing so would severely limit they're customer's prop choices for this model.

FYI: European's seem to prefer 4mm - both smooth bore & screw on.

Can anyone please confirm the flex shaft size before I order some props

[Rafael_Lopez]

Can anyone please confirm the flex shaft size before I order some props

Hello Mr_3_0_5,
I can indeed confirm that the drive cable for this boat is .150 and has a 3/16 propeller shaft.

As afar as ESC programing via the transmitter, I am working with Dynamite to get the information available to everyone ASAP.

Thank you for your patience.

[RCBoaterGuy]

Programming The ESC Part-36

Rafael,
By any chance have you read any of the other 35 posts in this thread?? The topic of programming the ESC has been beat to death...

In Post #9 I suggested using the HobbyWing program box...

In Post #19 Pedro Ramos informed us that he had successfully programmed the ESC using a HobbyWing Program card as I suggested in post #9

In Post #22 Gregster82 informed us that he had successfully programmed the ESC using his transmitter by following the instructions in the HobbyWing ESC manual I provided a link to in post #9.

In Post #27 Gregster82 informed us that: Horizon sent him the manual for the esc and that he found discrepancy's in [transmitter] calibration. He went on to say: they dont say it can he programmed by transmitter. Weird.....

I D/L'ed the Dynamite manual & found the discrepancy's gregster82 is talking about, what he said is true. The Dynamite manual is wrong, the HobbyWing manual is right.

In Post #30 Gregster82 states he did it [transmitter calibration] the same way I outlined in post #29. He went on to say... "Funny how we are already ahead of proboat on this issue"

The program box that Dynamite is working on will look nearly identical to the HobbyWing box seen in post #9 the only difference will be the face plate.

Sorry guy, gets kinda tiring seeing the same questions (that have already been answered) asked over & over again.

Hello Mr_3_0_5,
I can indeed confirm that the drive cable for this boat is .150 and has a 3/16 propeller shaft.

As afar as ESC programing via the transmitter, I am working with Dynamite to get the information available to everyone ASAP.

Thank you for your patience.

[Rafael_Lopez]

I apologize if my comment offended you or rubbed you the wrong way, that wasn't my intention. I did read the entire thread and wanted to acknowledge the discrepancies in the manual as a representative of Horizon Hobby. I really don't feel that anyone was ahead of Pro Boat in any way, regarding this ESC. Changing or updating a manual doesn't happen overnight, and as much as we try not to, we do make mistakes but we do our best to step up and try to remedy them as best as possible.

As far as the calibration, forgive me if you already know this, this ESC has an auto calibration feature which Pro Boat and Dynamite decided would work best, in this product. The ESC will respond to the manual calibration, as you all know, but it is not necessary.

Like many other companies, we develop products in partnership with manufacturers who may already have that item on the market, but our products are tailored to our specifications, whether it be programing, the quality of the internals, or rating specifications.

In case anyone is curious, here is a little background about myself. I've been involved with RC since I was 16. I'm currently 39. I've been building my own RC boats for 6 years now, I'm not new to boating or related electronics. I've worked for Horizon Hobby for more than 2 years now and worked my way from Product Support, through other departments, up to Product Development, as of 4 months ago. Although I wasn't yet a PD when this ESC was developed, I guarantee there is nothing more you can tell me regarding it's programing.

Sorry for arriving late to the party. From here on out, I will try and keep up as best as possible.

Rafael,
By any chance have you read any of the other 35 posts in this thread?? The topic of programming the ESC has been beat to death...

In Post #9 I suggested using the HobbyWing program box...

In Post #19 Pedro Ramos informed us that he had successfully programmed the ESC using a HobbyWing Program card as I suggested in post #9

In Post #22 Gregster82 informed us that he had successfully programmed the ESC using his transmitter by following the instructions in the HobbyWing ESC manual I provided a link to in post #9.

In Post #27 Gregster82 informed us that: Horizon sent him the manual for the esc and that he found discrepancy's in [transmitter] calibration. He went on to say: they dont say it can he programmed by transmitter. Weird.....

I D/L'ed the Dynamite manual & found the discrepancy's gregster82 is talking about, what he said is true. The Dynamite manual is wrong, the HobbyWing manual is right.

In Post #30 Gregster82 states he did it [transmitter calibration] the same way I outlined in post #29. He went on to say... "Funny how we are already ahead of proboat on this issue"

The program box that Dynamite is working on will look nearly identical to the three examples attached to this post, the only difference will be the face plate.

Go here... http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ming_Card.html - click on the files tab & look at face plate #2 - look familiar?? Yes, that is a HobbyWing Seaking program box faceplate. That is because the Turnigy PB is a relabeled HobbyWing box - the Onyx box is also a relabeled HobbyWing box.

Any more questions about programming the Dynamite (aka HobbyWing Seaking v3) ESC found in the new Proboat Blackjack 29 Version 3 boat??

[iop65]

Flex Shaft or the prop shaft??


FYI: European's seem to prefer 4mm - both smooth bore & screw on.

not correct

M4 screw on or DD 3/16"

4mm bore don't know who uses that?

[RCBoaterGuy]

It was just an observation - a result of hunting for props on the internet & checking out boats recently, ones that are not from the big name companies such as AquaCraft, Proboat & so on.

This is one place I checked out (RTR & ARTR)... http://www.tobsd.com/index.aspx - everyone that I've looked at says it has a 4mm flex drive. Most of the HK boats I've checked out (27~32 inches) also say 4mm flex drive.

Maybe I got confused somewhere along the line?? Certainly wasn't my intention to mislead anyone. I would delete the post, but you quoted me, sooo...

not correct

M4 screw on or DD 3/16"

4mm bore don't know who uses that?

[Mr_3_0_5]

Thanks for all the info here guys you have been very helpful

[Mr_3_0_5]

So I've been trying to get rid of this dreaded wa wa wa. I've adjusted the strut in all kinds of positions as well as moved the batteries up and down the trays and Followed chiefs strut mod.
I've been reading on here that the cg should be 1/3 of the boats length.Maybe I'm not understanding this properly but if I were to put a dowel under the hull shouldn't I be aiming to balance the boat at 8.7 inches from the transom?
Or is it from the ride pads? Will trim tabs help ?

[iop65]

flex : 3.2 mm , 4.7 or 6.3 mm these are common sizes
every european seller has stuff for these sizes

[tlandauer]

So I've been trying to get rid of this dreaded wa wa wa. I've adjusted the strut in all kinds of positions as well as moved the batteries up and down the trays and Followed chiefs strut mod.
I've been reading on here that the cg should be 1/3 of the boats length.Maybe I'm not understanding this properly but if I were to put a dowel under the hull shouldn't I be aiming to balance the boat at 8.7 inches from the transom?
Or is it from the ride pads? Will trim tabs help ?

I am not familiar with V3, but if I am correct, as current as V2 it was essentially the same hull as Miss Geico V1 which has a notorious wa-wa-wa- issue. Said issue is not easily fixed with adjustments of strut , batteries' position , etc.
The ride pads on that hull is somewhat less than ideal ( I am being polite here), to get rid of that you need to "blue print" them, fill them out with Bondo body filler( ok) or West Marine's Marine Rx epoxy putty ( best) . So all the concave areas are flat and no rockers ( bumps) as well, and most importantly straighten (shaping with the said putty/filler) the sposon transom into a 90* affair. I am talking the heels of the last ride pads on the back of the boat On the MG V1 it is slanted , not sure what the shape on the BlackJack V3 is....
This is REALLY a Helpful guide :
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...nting-Tutorial
Good luck.
BTW, installing trim tabs on a Cat this size and with moderate speeds is not apparently helpful, only two or three people tried it and one found it was helpful, the debate was a messy one , it is up to you. But blue printing is really an honest way of attempting to get rid of the wa-wa-wa.

[luv2fly27]

Hi. I have the new Blackjack 29 v3. I was running 4s but moved up to 6s and enjoying the faster speed. Any recommendations for a prop that will improve top speed on 6s? I have seem some comments about an Octura x440 and x442 for this version of the Blackjack. Any other feedback? If speed would only go up 2-3mph I probably won't make a change but if it's 5-10mph then would consider spending the $$. Thanks!!