The NEW Proboat motor and ESC?

[TheShaughnessy]

This motor is now offered in the v3 blackjack 29. I currently have one in my possession and am curious if its going to be a legal motor for 2015. The bullets are nice quality, good fit with my current 5.5 which are the am500 (something like that.) Hk variety or the venom 5.5. Comes with water jacket, competitive pricing.

[Brushless55]

This motor is now offered in the v3 blackjack 29. I currently have one in my possession and am curious if its going to be a legal motor for 2015. The bullets are nice quality, good fit with my current 5.5 which are the am500 (something like that.) Hk variety or the venom 5.5. Comes with water jacket, competitive pricing.

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[TheShaughnessy]

Seems like no one wants to touch this. Looks like it may break the 5% clause ? It is offered in an rtr hull where over 100 units will be produced though. Up to the CD? I'll just run it and wait for the protest.

[montymike]

This boat with the Bj29v3 with its upgraded hull and hardware is heavier then the V1 hull so I suspect though I have not ran it yet got it in Dec.could use the boost. The extra of will give it.

[T.S.Davis]

Seems like no one wants to touch this.

Cuz nobody knows I suspect.

[Darin Jordan]

Cuz nobody knows I suspect.

iii) In addition, the CD has the discretion to allow the following:

(a) An aftermarket motor that is a re-labeled and exact copy of any
approved motor.
(b) Any generational change of an approved motor, or a motor that
is used in a Ready To Run (RTR) offering from a manufacturer
that produces over 100 units of said offering, as long as there is
no more than a 5% increase in any of the following
manufacturers specifications as compared to any single
approved motor: Kv, maximum constant amperage rating,
mass, and MSRP.
(c) The race flyer shall list additional allowed motors for the event

By my reading of the rules, if the motor isn't on the "approved" list of motors, then it must meet A, B, OR C...

The new Dynamite motors in the Pro Boat RTRs are new, and clearly don't meet "A".

The new Dynamite motors in the Pro Boat RTRs are also 61mm long, which exceeds the 5% rule for length, so they also don't meet "B".

Now, while I believe the INTENT was for "C" to be more of a "note" in regards to A and B, it READs as the third bullet; A third criteria to consider for allowance. As such, the CD of whatever "event" you are running must print a flyer identifying any additional motor allowances.

So, if your club has an upcoming race, and in the announcement (E-mail, etc.) for the race lists the additional motor allowances, then you would be allowed to run these, per the NAMBA rules as they are written.

[T.S.Davis]

That sounds right Darin.

C should have read "if a motor is allowed in accordance with a. or b. it shall be indicated on the race flyer" or something to that effect.

50% of the motors on the current list aren't available any more. There really are no provisions for how to be added to the "list". Just how to handle a generation change or a clone like the Himax.

Wonder if Dave has 2 pennies on this.

[Brushless55]

iii) In addition, the CD has the discretion to allow the following:

(a) An aftermarket motor that is a re-labeled and exact copy of any
approved motor.
(b) Any generational change of an approved motor, or a motor that
is used in a Ready To Run (RTR) offering from a manufacturer
that produces over 100 units of said offering, as long as there is
no more than a 5% increase in any of the following
manufacturers specifications as compared to any single
approved motor: Kv, maximum constant amperage rating,
mass, and MSRP.
(c) The race flyer shall list additional allowed motors for the event

By my reading of the rules, if the motor isn't on the "approved" list of motors, then it must meet A, B, OR C...

The new Dynamite motors in the Pro Boat RTRs are new, and clearly don't meet "A".

The new Dynamite motors in the Pro Boat RTRs are also 61mm long, which exceeds the 5% rule for length, so they also don't meet "B".

Now, while I believe the INTENT was for "C" to be more of a "note" in regards to A and B, it READs as the third bullet; A third criteria to consider for allowance. As such, the CD of whatever "event" you are running must print a flyer identifying any additional motor allowances.

So, if your club has an upcoming race, and in the announcement (E-mail, etc.) for the race lists the additional motor allowances, then you would be allowed to run these, per the NAMBA rules as they are written.

I bet we in NAMBA20 would allow these new motors...

[T.S.Davis]

We probably will too. Just a prediction though.

Motivation will be the "buy it race it angle".

[Darin Jordan]

PSFEMBC (NAMBA D8) has already voted to allow them.

I abstained from that vote, by the way.

[TheShaughnessy]

I guess Ill put it in a boat before I worry about it

[Darin Jordan]

Do NOT prop it like a "2030".... those are NOT 2000kv... the Dynamite is. You'll want to prop accordingly.

[TheShaughnessy]

I'll keep that in mind. I'll start with a 40x53. Can always use it for the jet boat build,

[Brushless55]

uhhhh

Do NOT prop it like a "2030".... those are NOT 2000kv... the Dynamite is. You'll want to prop accordingly.

so this PB motor has "maybe" 7 to 8% more rpms vs the AQ2030
and my AQ2030 powered
PSpec Mono runs 95-100* after a 6 lap heat
PSpec OPC runs 90-95* after a 6 lap heat
PSpec Rigger runs 110-115* after a 6 lap heat
LSH runs 105-110* after a 6 lap heat

that this new PB motor cannot swing those current props without heating up to burn notice ??
I would think that a new motor design would be more powerful with a little more rpms

[Darin Jordan]

Who said anything about a "new motor design"?

It's just another rebranded motor that Dynamite decided would suit their RTR needs, being supplied by the lowest bidder.

You go up in KV, you generally lose torque, given the same basic physical size, so you prop down a bit and get your speed from prop speed rather than pitch. Pretty healthy difference in overall RPM between 1865kv and 2000kv on 4S.