Hull speeds

[wolf IV]

The Campbell classic hydro was designed for a brushed 700 can and 12 cells. Here is my brushless version that does 45 mph - the video gives you the specs. This is our test pond - a bit small but good for getting a stalled boat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MzZlOAlGM4

great job egneg!!!

[Eodman]

Among the boats that my son & I run are SV27, UL 1, Mean Machine and a Twin drive Toysport Jolly---I have found that we could make them all go faster than they do but at the present speeds they are fun drive, a handful at times but we have not had to get wet(with a life jacket) or paddle the canoe to many times.

Our MM UL1 & Jolly are all running in the mid to upper forties and we enjoy the hell out of the afternoons! So the lesson I learned from Fluid & others here - is stay within not only the hull's capabilities but also your own!

[domwilson]

Among the boats that my son & I run are SV27, UL 1, Mean Machine and a Twin drive Toysport Jolly---I have found that we could make them all go faster than they do but at the present speeds they are fun drive, a handful at times but we have not had to get wet(with a life jacket) or paddle the canoe to many times.

Our MM UL1 & Jolly are all running in the mid to upper forties and we enjoy the hell out of the afternoons! So the lesson I learned from Fluid & others here - is stay within not only the hull's capabilities but also your own!

What's your setup in them?

[Eodman]

Jolly -8xl's,hydra 240's x442 l & r 's

MM - 9xl, Etti 150 & if i remember an x445

and the supervee has a 8xl and hydra 120 probably slowest at +/- 43

We also have a stock SV27 that's in the 30's which I can drive!

[Punisher 67]

George I have to agree with you 100% , even though the Sniper is capable of + 75mph I really enjoy just putting around at 50mph . safe and stable , lots of run time and just all around fun to drive

[sailr]

My boats currently:

DF33
Neu 1515/1Y
4S2P 4300
Seaking 180ESC
X445 prop
Speedmaster hardware
Still tuning!

Aeromarine Preditor Tunnel
K&B Lower Unit
UL-1 motor
UL-1 esc
4S1P 4500
Reworked X642 (detongued, back cut)
Sweet runner.

UL-1
stock
4S 5000
Grim 3 blade (small one)
Runs great!
Runs along with everything except a whiplash!

H&M No Step II
Nemesis 10XL
Seaking 90A ESC
4S 4500
speedmaster hardware
X640


Skunkworks Cat
UL-1 motor
UL-1 esc
4S 5000
Speedmast hardware
Don't remember which prop
GREAT rough water boat.
Good speed.

Projects currently underway:

Matrix Rigger
Nemesis 10XL
Castle 120
4S 4500
X640

Xzess EVO II Rigger
Proboat motor
Seaking 90A esc
speedmaster hardware
X440

Custom Yurkanip Rigger
Nemsis 8XL
Not sure yet on the ESC.
speedmaster hardware
X637
This boat is a challenge. The tub is too narrow and shallow
to get much in it. Might be for sale soon! haha

DF25"
5000KV outrunner
Not sure on esc
2S2P 3500
Chinese hardware (modified stinger to run 3/16" shaft instead of the terrible 4mm square shaft)
This puppy should scream when I get it done.

I have several other boats laying around that I'll get around to some day!

All of my boats are in a constant state of 'tuning'.

[paulwilliams]

What Fluid and Sailr have typed has been going on since rc boat sites arrived in 1997 with RRH. Now its nice to help newbies but they seem to want exact info like given on a silver spoon instead of searching and learning by reading forums which in fACT has more info than any magazine out.

That's a good point. When I started mucking about about with FEs, the interweb pretty much didn't exist for most people - you couldn't fire up google and get 257 billion hits, nor could you log in to OSE, Astec etc. etc.

Information about FE boats here in the UK was hard to come by, and no doubt we repeated many of the mistakes others had made as we learned what worked and what did not - effectively we were on our own, and very little we used came from abroad, other than radio, cells etc.

While it's easy to slate "noobs" for asking the same questions, remember that when a lot of us started out, the range of hulls, hardware, motors etc. was only a tiny fraction of what it is now. Today we are literally spoiled for choice with thousands of motors, hundreds of speed controllers, dozens of drive sets, hundreds of hulls - add up the possible combinations and it must run into tens of thousands.

So, put yourself in the position of one of your "silver spoons": you've got a budget, and you want to get it right first time. I'd ask as many "dumb" questions as possible if it stopped me wasting money, and I got the boat I wanted at a price I could afford. Not all of us have unlimited funds to experiment with what works and what burns.

Paul

[paulwilliams]

I have to agree with you 100% on all mentioned above , I am a member of about 5 boating forums this one by far for me I the most enjoyable with some of the coolest people on the boating forums

Web forums allow people to "say" things they would never say face-to-face, and they lack the normal clues such as tone and facial expression that are present face-to-face which often entirely change how we interpret the words we hear. That's one excuse for threads that descend into personal attacks - simple misunderstanding. Someone may say something that is not meant to be taken seriously, and instead they offend someone. That's not to say that some people don't have very thin skins, and take offence way too easily!

The sad fact is also that web forums give a platform to idiots (usually hiding behind their forum identity) who in the normal course of things would remain silent if they had to deal in person with the consequences of their words. Often it's best just to try and tune out the "white noise" and ignore the troublemakers. (I understand some forum software has an "Ignore" feature that allows you to filter out posts from people you find disagreeable.)

Then there are the self-appointed, self-opinionated "experts" - people who know they're right and everyone else is wrong, and who in reality know very little but know it VERY LOUDLY. These people are generally harmless unless they move into hobby politics, where they often end up running the show on local and national committees and where the scope for really damaging and divisive mayhem is unlimited.

Most reasonable people know that there is usually no single "right" answer to most problems, but often a choice of many right answers, all equally valid. Reasonable people will keep an open mind, will listen to others, and will be prepared to alter their thinking in the light of new facts. Unfortunately, not everyone is reasonable!

Your experience of gas/nitro boaters seems quite similar to my own: ignorant, opinionated and arrogant, and usually unable to backup big talk. Are there people like that in FEs? Yep.

Paul

[FloatDaBoat]

Paul's Hit the Nail Square on the Head - - Well Stated !!!

[Flying Scotsman]

Web forums allow people to "say" things they would never say face-to-face, and they lack the normal clues such as tone and facial expression that are present face-to-face which often entirely change how we interpret the words we hear. That's one excuse for threads that descend into personal attacks - simple misunderstanding. Someone may say something that is not meant to be taken seriously, and instead they offend someone. That's not to say that some people don't have very thin skins, and take offence way too easily!

The sad fact is also that web forums give a platform to idiots (usually hiding behind their forum identity) who in the normal course of things would remain silent if they had to deal in person with the consequences of their words. Often it's best just to try and tune out the "white noise" and ignore the troublemakers. (I understand some forum software has an "Ignore" feature that allows you to filter out posts from people you find disagreeable.)

Then there are the self-appointed, self-opinionated "experts" - people who know they're right and everyone else is wrong, and who in reality know very little but know it VERY LOUDLY. These people are generally harmless unless they move into hobby politics, where they often end up running the show on local and national committees and where the scope for really damaging and divisive mayhem is unlimited.

Most reasonable people know that there is usually no single "right" answer to most problems, but often a choice of many right answers, all equally valid. Reasonable people will keep an open mind, will listen to others, and will be prepared to alter their thinking in the light of new facts. Unfortunately, not everyone is reasonable!

Your experience of gas/nitro boaters seems quite similar to my own: ignorant, opinionated and arrogant, and usually unable to backup big talk. Are there people like that in FEs? Yep.

Paul

On the button , Paul

Douggie

[Punisher 67]

I have to agree with you also Paul , there is stuff I know lots about and other stuff I am at a complete loss and have to ask questions myself but never will I recommend something that I haven't tried myself or just have no idea . Yes I dealt had a lot of self appointed idiots on other forums but find the greatest number of open minded people on this forum . Even when the majority state that a said item or configuration will not work and common sense says that it will....I will still try it myself to confirm and what do I find sometimes..........that they were all wrong . This usually starts as an uneducated opinion going from person to person with a well I know a guy that said this and tried that and before you know its an urban legend .

[paulwilliams]

This usually starts as an uneducated opinion going from person to person with a well I know a guy that said this and tried that and before you know its an urban legend .

When oval racing was taking off in the UK, back in the mid 90s, a very prominent (some might say notorious) FE ECO racer here in the UK told me, in all seriousness, that "surface drive doesn't work" - as we stood watching 8 offshore boats tearing up the lake. I can't remember my reply, but I'm pretty sure it was unprintable.

Paul

[sailr]

OSE is a refreshing exchange of ideas rather than a 'bashing' and 'so-called expert" symporium! Everyone here is generally willing to share their piece of the pie in regards to their knowledge. I simply refrain from visiting several other sites populated by know-it-alls and nasty people!

Thanks Steven for running the best FE board in the world!

[domwilson]

OSE is a refreshing exchange of ideas rather than a 'bashing' and 'so-called expert" symporium! Everyone here is generally willing to share their piece of the pie in regards to their knowledge. I simply refrain from visiting several other sites populated by know-it-alls and nasty people!

Thanks Steven for running the best FE board in the world!

It's vendors like you and Steve, along with great people, that help to make this forum a great place to visit.

[Gary]

Ok here is my speal.I built a Miss Vegas electric boat. I ran these boats on nitro and they performed flawlessly with no hint of a blow over and always very stable...BUT i could only get a top speed of 52 mph on average. So i gave up on nitro and went electric. Now i could easily get 60+ out of her but the boat was out of controll all the time. No matter what i did with the weight it did nothing to help and i began to hate my hobby. At 50 she was a dream, 60 forget it. I gave up and I took the same drivetrain and put it in a Bandit Larsany hull and boat went 70mph right out of the gate. This hull was a dream at those speeds and lots of fun..but top speed endid up being a best off 75 mph. Took that same drivetrain out and put it in a Dominator hull and boat would not pass 60mph with out fliping or crashing. At that point i decided to start messing with the sponsons because i really wanted this hull to work. i finally got the right angles and boat ran 88mph runs many times. There are some vids posted of it on the vid section.Even in slight chop 80+ no problem. Again same batts, motor and prop everytime in each boat.I was told there was no way this boat could run this fast and i now just ran 102mph spinning the prop faster. What did i learn . 1- The more wieght i add the faster it goes. 2- That the Miss Vegas hull could go much faster with modded sponsons and i figured this out because the Dominator hull ran the same way in the begining. 3- I spend way to much time and money for only personal satisfaction of doing things that cant be done by the average guy/hobbiest.Whats wrong with me?LOL!!!!!!!! So i believe any hull can go much faster than intendid with some carefull tweaking and tinkering and that a lite boat to me was always a no-no for what i was doing.