Newbie here looking for next boat

[TonyM995]

The Bonzi isn’t self righting but they make super nice stuff to my untrained eye. Seems like a massive upgrade from what I have but not a super fast 100 mph ripper which is fine even though I’d love one of those.

I have another beginner question. What’s the benefit of fiberglass? It seems carbon fiber would be stronger than fiberglass and fiberglass would be more stable than abs plastic.


Here is what Bonzi quoted me for a mono hull. I’ve enjoyed talking to them and am a fan of everything I see with them.
Enforcer Team Offshore - Attached video & pic and link are of the running on 6S - 45mph.
We use/sell MaxAmps batteries. We can supply if needed.
Great boat! Great size and speed. You can always go up on cells/voltage for more.
White/Fiberglass - TP 5660 motor, ZTW 300amp ESC, Savox digital/waterproof servo, Futaba 3PV Tx/Rx, rechargeable Rx battery pack/ charger, Enforcer SPDIII dual rudder outdrive. $1699.00 less Lipos + shipping.


https://www.bonzisports.com/product/...fshore-hull-2/

addition info dimensions: Those are box sizes.
The actual length of the Team to the prop is 53" x 14" x 10" high.
The actual length of the 47 Skater to the rudder is 53" x 16" wide x 8" high.

[fweasel]

If laid up correctly, carbon fiber hulls are stronger and lighter than fiberglass, but more expensive.

Regardless of what boat you buy, steer clear of MaxAmps batteries. They are overpriced, overrated junk.

[TonyM995]

For sure on the batteries and I’ll never make that mistake again.

Any thoughts on the Bonzi Team mono hull? They included the cost of a transmitter which is $150 and I could use the fly sky I have for now. They sent me a video of it on 6S and it looked slow to me. Can I just put more cells on it? He said the esc can handle 14s but they wouldn’t do more than 12s. TP 5660 motor

Yesterday I took my first rc airplane for its maiden flight with the local club here who gives free training. It was awesome because he built the plane for me and showed me all the tips he’s learned in building over 200 of them for new members. Having him there to train at the field meant zero crashes and just smiles all day. I can’t bottle that but I can keep buying rc toys to play with and enjoy. In the evening the winds here were averaging 26 mph over 5 minutes so that’s too windy for an rc plane with me at the controls.

With how little water we have I can’t take justify a several thousand dollar boat even though I’d like one. Gas will always be out of the question for my area as well.

[TonyM995]

Can someone help me understand why this boat is so fast on a single motor and 6S battery? Dasbota ABC 4082 prop and 1600kv motor.

https://youtu.be/H1tQGUAUpuk?si=203iW45sMIUd-2HD

Bonzi suggested TP 5660 motor that’s 1356kv. On a mono hull with 6S it seems slow to me and doesn’t appear it would handle rough conditions based on how it’s bouncing in the short video I was sent.

https://youtube.com/shorts/xifgBq9FAz8?feature=share

What do you think that Bonzi is capable of with speed?

[Bande1]

6s under load is about 20v. most budget batteries are able to do about 15c-20c continuous, with expensive batteries able to do about 30C. So 20v x 120a = 2400w. 20v x 175A = 3500w. 5660 is a 5500w continuous motor. in other words 6s is basically for 40mm size motors. smaller 56mm motors are for 8s-12s simply because the higher voltages produce higher wattages. It cant hurt to get a 56mm motor but its not necessary with 6s. If you jump to 8s and a lower KV you can go the same speed with less stress on the batteries.

guy in my club runs a 40" seaducer hull (look those up) on 6s with a 1750kv TP4070. he laps over 60mph. but he also puffs and desolders SMC and CNHL packs to do it. a boat the size of that Bonzi needs at least 8s IMO. and 12s to go really fast. I run my 42" catamaran on 12s and it takes 7,000w to do 65mph.

consider this:
I have come to the realization that while electric can be viable alternative to <40" nitro boats due to the cost of nitro, electric is lame for gas size boats. a stock zenoah and decent zippkits pipe is like $400 and will go 55mph for 20 minutes straight. it really hits home if you ever have the chance to run a gas boat on $1 worth of 87 octane for 15 minutes then get your electric boat out, go the same speed for 4 laps and the batteries are done. wow 90 seconds of runtime!!!! ....now wait 2hrs for them to cool down and charge up....or spend another $200 for more batteries to run another 90 seconds.

want to see what a fast gas boat can do? this guy laps my 5670 12s boat once every lap almost. and its running 2 seconds slower to be broken in.

https://fb.watch/mC2plxb5l0/

[Xrayted]

Also keep in mind that cat designed hulls are faster than most monohull designs simply due to physics. There is very little boat in the water, so they are essentially airplanes "flying" right on top of the water, and why there is a tunnel there to create lift when running. The same reason the outrigger design is so fast. Practically nothing is in the water at speed other than the prop and rudder

A mono is lot more wet by design, but its design can also handle much rougher water than a cat can. Cats dont turn very well at speed, and will hook and roll in corners if moving too quickly. They will also blow over on anything other than fairly smooth water. You need to build your boat based on the conditions where you plan to run, and your videos and info so far shows that as windy with chop, which means you will spend 90% of your time going out to pick up your flipped boat if you go with a fast cat.

You are going to figure out at some point that crazy fast E boats can become "not so fun" in very short order. They tear themselves up badly in flips, and are not so fun when you spend most of your time going out to retrieve it. They are NOT a boat design that I would suggest anyone start with while learning.

I know...super fast boats are cool. But its just like the guys that want to learn to fly an RC model and won't listen when someone tells them that buying a 150 mph EDF jet is not the model to start on, but they do it anyway because a slower proper trainer model just isn't as cool. The flight then last 5 seconds as predicted, and then they give up after spending a small fortune trying to constantly fix things after every outing because they are in way over their head.

A big mono that runs 50 mph, and is predictable and reliable in your rough water conditions will be a blast. A 100 mph anything that you have to rebuild after every outing because it flipped 13 times and tears itself apart after every run, not so much

[TonyM995]

Dang you guys are good!!’ Thank you so much.

Bande1- Awesome thanks for the explanation on batteries. Your statements all make sense to me and I appreciate your input! I agree and you make me wish I could run a gas boat. They are just super cost effective on 50”+ boats and since I’m not racing I don’t need to go 100 mph. I’m just trying to have fun.

xRayted- I’ve experienced my m41 cat and how it can’t turn well at speed but only realized this after you pointed it out. For sure windy with chop and I just do really slow turns.

You’re also right about FE boats becoming not so fun really quick for me in my conditions. Because it’s not my primary hobby and I’llbe doing it when it’s too windy to fly. A slower boat that can turn hard and jump or just have fun with and not be constantly breaking will be both easier to live with and more fun to use.

you guys rock and I hope this thread helps others like me. I’ll keep posting as I’m sure I’ll have more questions. I’d also like to post a thread on my m41 in the RTR section for it to share how the boat has been for me.

[Xrayted]

Cool, good luck on whatever boat you finally settle on!