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  • StevenBryant
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 359

    #106
    From the data posted your run tim is way too high for your setup, try and cut your run time down considerably and you will see your temps drops


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    • Speed3
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2017
      • 371

      #107
      I notice something else from the datalog.

      Looking at the current in the first 62 seconds the graph illustrates that the peak amps was significantly lower than later in the run. The rpm was alot higher in the early parts too.

      Something happen later in the run that caused the amps to increase significantly. As a result the motor rpm fell off significantly.

      I think what happen later on is the reason the motor connector got so hot.

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      • Crash
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2015
        • 313

        #108
        Originally posted by Speed3
        I notice something else from the datalog.

        Looking at the current in the first 62 seconds the graph illustrates that the peak amps was significantly lower than later in the run. The rpm was alot higher in the early parts too.

        Something happen later in the run that caused the amps to increase significantly. As a result the motor rpm fell off significantly.

        I think what happen later on is the reason the motor connector got so hot.

        I probably switched props.


        does anyone know how the Data logger works? does it reset it self every time you hook up the ESC?

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        • CraigP
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • May 2017
          • 1464

          #109
          You can reset data from its application, or keep recording on different runs but it will wrap around when it gets to the end of the data...

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          • Crash
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2015
            • 313

            #110
            Originally posted by CraigP
            You can reset data from its application, or keep recording on different runs but it will wrap around when it gets to the end of the data...
            thank you

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            • madmikepags
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Aug 2012
              • 1359

              #111
              You can throw all the numbers you want at a setup, X457 X646 50c 70c 6000watts 5000 watts 2000kv 300 amp this 22 volts that etc etc etc, but until you learn how to set your boat up to run properly you are gonna have problems. Not once in all these posts have you said what ur strut depth is vs your prop size, your CG or if the boat is running wet or dry? and weather or not you've sanded scuffed or blueprinted the bottom of the hull. I have taken poor running boats and with a couple turns on a few screws a sanding block and a straight edge turned them into winning boats. Also prop tech has a lot to do with speed, amp draw, heat runtime etc. For example my daughter did a science project. She took 6 of my 455/3 blade props, (all modified) none of them looked alike and none performed alike. She described the changes made to each prop and what each change made each prop do. (BTW The project got an A and she won her science fair). What I'm basically saying is learn your boat, try different things and see what they make your boat do. Try batts forward, try em back, try diff strut heights or angles, mess w the trim tabs, try diff props, and keep a notebook of what you did. My first real boat was an Aeromarine Titan 29, I must have run that thing 6-700 times and changed stuff every run, and have a notebook prob w 50-60 pages of info that I jotted down after every run. With just hull tuning I was able to go from 41 to 48 mph. That is almost a 20% increase in speed without changing motor battery or prop. There's plenty of speed secrets out there without having to change your whole setup
              We call ourselves the "Q"

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              • Crash
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2015
                • 313

                #112
                Originally posted by madmikepags
                You can throw all the numbers you want at a setup, X457 X646 50c 70c 6000watts 5000 watts 2000kv 300 amp this 22 volts that etc etc etc, but until you learn how to set your boat up to run properly you are gonna have problems. Not once in all these posts have you said what ur strut depth is vs your prop size, your CG or if the boat is running wet or dry? and weather or not you've sanded scuffed or blueprinted the bottom of the hull. I have taken poor running boats and with a couple turns on a few screws a sanding block and a straight edge turned them into winning boats. Also prop tech has a lot to do with speed, amp draw, heat runtime etc. For example my daughter did a science project. She took 6 of my 455/3 blade props, (all modified) none of them looked alike and none performed alike. She described the changes made to each prop and what each change made each prop do. (BTW The project got an A and she won her science fair). What I'm basically saying is learn your boat, try different things and see what they make your boat do. Try batts forward, try em back, try diff strut heights or angles, mess w the trim tabs, try diff props, and keep a notebook of what you did. My first real boat was an Aeromarine Titan 29, I must have run that thing 6-700 times and changed stuff every run, and have a notebook prob w 50-60 pages of info that I jotted down after every run. With just hull tuning I was able to go from 41 to 48 mph. That is almost a 20% increase in speed without changing motor battery or prop. There's plenty of speed secrets out there without having to change your whole setup
                Boat is set up by proboat.
                Yes I have tried different settings on strut and lipo.

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                • Crash
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2015
                  • 313

                  #113
                  thanks to everyone here at OSE
                  I did get the boat set up pretty good . It is a combination of everything mentioned that got me from 42mph to 62 mph with all the same equipment by most means of the word.

                  The weak point is the batteries so, I am taking a idea from this thread and going parallel with the lipos.
                  also, because I own the 1750 KV already , I went with 5s
                  that puts motor rpm in the 29 to 30k area under load

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                  • Crash
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2015
                    • 313

                    #114
                    Received mu 5S lipos and got a couple runs in.
                    The boat loves this set up now.
                    Thanks again to you all.

                    This is the final set up: TP Power 4060 3y 1750 kv
                    5S Admiral Pro 4000mah 60C x2 running Parallel
                    Swordfish X 220 amp (300 burst) ESC
                    CNC OSE 2 blade 55mm x 1.6"

                    results: 249 max amp draw
                    35 C max temp on ESC
                    rpm 32k under load
                    64 mph today into the wind

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                    • HTVboats
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 803

                      #115
                      I run that TP 3Y on 6S in a DF 39" mono. with an X447/3 it runs low 60's and pulls 180-210amps on the MGM25035 data logger. (6 lap setup) To go 70 you will need an X450 or 452 (or ABC 1816 ,1817 to 1915) and your amps will be well over 200. A T180 will fry at some point pushing that load. I have 2 T180's that cut out no matter what I do, eliminate BEC and LV cutoff. Your SF 220 hopefully will hold up. Like Mike Paggs I keep a note book and try many prop and trim combinations.
                      Mic

                      Mic Halbrehder
                      IMPBA 8656
                      NAMBA 1414

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                      • Speed3
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2017
                        • 371

                        #116
                        Great to hear your improvements. So you turning a bigger prop, reving higher and using a cell less. That is progress.

                        That confirm that you was not getting nowhere near full potential on 6s previously.

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                        • Crash
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2015
                          • 313

                          #117
                          clocked 68 mph on gps

                          I had to push it beyond the handleing set up that day and I knew it but, I pushed it past the point where it lost contact with the water and ….. you know the rest.

                          after its short flight upside down threw the air which seemed to be in slow motion...…………………………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â €¦.@#$^*((**(*&^%$#!!!!

                          after retrieving it from the pond upside down I took it back to shop with what I knew was a damaged hull but, also the ESC got too wet and shorted out.

                          The hull is certainly salvageable and actually still driveable for the season.

                          Only gOod thing is NEW ESC is on order from OSE and can not wait.

                          I went over kill for the simple reason the 300 amp SF X is only 60 bucks more then the SF 240 that I was going to buy.

                          yes, Swordfish 300 X


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                          • Crash
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 313

                            #118
                            Originally posted by StevenBryant
                            These are rated at 200amp continuous, if you are pulling more than that they will heat up quickly, try 8mm castles and see if that helps


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                            I bought all new 8mm castle connectors. ty

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                            • Crash
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2015
                              • 313

                              #119
                              YIKES its huge
                              And goergous


                              It fits for mock up.
                              Tomarrow I will solder up connectors
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                              OSE carbon mount
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                              Last edited by Crash; 09-08-2018, 07:09 PM.

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                              • Prodrvr
                                Senior Member
                                • Jul 2015
                                • 701

                                #120
                                Originally posted by Crash
                                I got data recorder to work.
                                You have to run the program as Administrator and then it works .
                                I found a post here at OSE about it.

                                the data record says I am pulling 255 amps at 100% throttle
                                lipos are dropping down to 19.6 during 100% throttle
                                temps are 150f max
                                rpm is 30k+ at 100% throttle

                                it seems the amp draw is too high...what do you guys think
                                255A is the max that esc will record. It's pulling more than that in bursts.

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