Proboat blackjack 29. 4s.. 50mph

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  • Old School
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2017
    • 686

    #16
    Originally posted by jake414
    Why? Theres 3 different people saying a prop that will make my boat faster..

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    You are getting multiple answers because fast electrics do not follow the laws of mathematics. In many cases one plus one does not equal two. what works on one boat will not directly translate to the same performance on another. The state of charge of the batteries, the size of the connectors, the amount of power loss due heating wiring all contribute to what you see at the propellor.

    When judging a suitable prop diameter and pitch we generally tend to experiment starting with less than what we want as an end point to see what effect the chosen prop has on the rest of the boat's components. You say that you do not wish to buy a bunch of $50.00 props, well think another way is a few props going to exceed the cost of a baked ESC or motor? Also when an ESC fries it can take your new boat with it. Better to err on the side of caution as you choose a new propellor.

    As Roland has already stated you can buy props for less than $20.00 and balance or detongue them to get an idea of what specs you need. You can then purchase a better quality prop with similar specs. Some even experiment with cheap plastic/carbon props when choosing an ideal prop and then purchase a metal prop with the required specs.

    Without the possibility of failure you cannot simply purchase one prop to upgrade your new boat to achieve a specific speed. If you look back over the forum there was one member with a seemingly huge wallet who wanted to buy himself a 100 plus mile per hour boat basically off the shelf. He was not prepared to build up to that speed, he just wanted information on every specific item he needed to reach the magical ton out of the box. Appears that he may not have accepted the advice of the forum as he has been very quiet for some time now.

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    • jake414
      Member
      • Mar 2018
      • 64

      #17
      Originally posted by Old School
      You are getting multiple answers because fast electrics do not follow the laws of mathematics. In many cases one plus one does not equal two. what works on one boat will not directly translate to the same performance on another. The state of charge of the batteries, the size of the connectors, the amount of power loss due heating wiring all contribute to what you see at the propellor.

      When judging a suitable prop diameter and pitch we generally tend to experiment starting with less than what we want as an end point to see what effect the chosen prop has on the rest of the boat's components. You say that you do not wish to buy a bunch of $50.00 props, well think another way is a few props going to exceed the cost of a baked ESC or motor? Also when an ESC fries it can take your new boat with it. Better to err on the side of caution as you choose a new propellor.

      As Roland has already stated you can buy props for less than $20.00 and balance or detongue them to get an idea of what specs you need. You can then purchase a better quality prop with similar specs. Some even experiment with cheap plastic/carbon props when choosing an ideal prop and then purchase a metal prop with the required specs.

      Without the possibility of failure you cannot simply purchase one prop to upgrade your new boat to achieve a specific speed. If you look back over the forum there was one member with a seemingly huge wallet who wanted to buy himself a 100 plus mile per hour boat basically off the shelf. He was not prepared to build up to that speed, he just wanted information on every specific item he needed to reach the magical ton out of the box. Appears that he may not have accepted the advice of the forum as he has been very quiet for some time now.
      That's fine. I will slowly build up. I dont want to fry anything.
      There still has been 3 different answers. I'm waiting to see what other people opinions are. Like more than one person to say yes x prop is a good one I agree.

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      • Old School
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2017
        • 686

        #18
        You are getting multiple answers because each response is coming from a different point of view based on their experiences. Speed3 recommends a M545 which is a detongued 45 mm 1.5 pitch prop. Possibly a good end point but as a proviso he added makes sure all your connections are solid or you will generate a lot of heat.

        You suggest an X642. 1.6 pitch can be quite aggressive leading to a possible higher amp draw. How big is your ESC?

        Another suggestion was an X442. Most likely a sensible starting point as to obtain a higher speed a lot of testing is needed and purchasing just one specific prop is not going to get you the most out of your boat.

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        • jake414
          Member
          • Mar 2018
          • 64

          #19
          Originally posted by Old School
          You are getting multiple answers because each response is coming from a different point of view based on their experiences. Speed3 recommends a M545 which is a detongued 45 mm 1.5 pitch prop. Possibly a good end point but as a proviso he added makes sure all your connections are solid or you will generate a lot of heat.

          You suggest an X642. 1.6 pitch can be quite aggressive leading to a possible higher amp draw. How big is your ESC?

          Another suggestion was an X442. Most likely a sensible starting point as to obtain a higher speed a lot of testing is needed and purchasing just one specific prop is not going to get you the most out of your boat.
          Stock esc. 120a.

          Like I said, I just had read the 642. That is all. It was quite and older thread.



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          • jake414
            Member
            • Mar 2018
            • 64

            #20
            I just sold my 2 4s packs..

            Should I buy 2s packs or 3s?
            Or I might buy a 2s and 3s and run in series.. I just dont want it to handle weird.

            1 turnigy nanotech 3s 5000mah 45-90c
            1 turnigy nanotech 2s 5000mah 45-90c

            Help..
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            Last edited by jake414; 06-12-2018, 09:52 AM.

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            • jake414
              Member
              • Mar 2018
              • 64

              #21
              I'm going to go with 2 3s packs. 60c 5000mah.
              Going to lower motor timing to 7.5 degrees

              Rafael on here said he did 6s, 7.5degree timing, x440/3 ran 45mph?

              Tell me this is a bad idea or not. I want it to run at a decent temperature too.

              This way I have room to improve and I can run the 3s in my scx10..

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              Last edited by jake414; 06-12-2018, 10:38 AM.

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              • MADRCER
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2017
                • 751

                #22
                Originally posted by jake414
                Rafael on here said he did 6s, 7.5degree timing, x440/3 ran 45mph?

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                Rafael is off the pace if he said that....That prop and running 6s will net 60mph with tolerable temps with a well set up boat...Below is REDLINE'S Black Jack 29 doing 59/60mph with that setup. I had 60mph runs with with my x440-3 from dasboata as well when I had the old motor in my Geico v3.



                TFL Zonda (124mph), Miss Geico Zelos 36 (108mph), Veles 29 (91mph), Zelos Twin 36 (90mph), Miss Geico 29v3 (83.5mph), Sonicwake 36 V2 (83mph), Blackjack 42 (81mph), TFL Pursuit (79mph), UL-19 (75mph), Sonicwake 36 (73mph), Motley Crew (47.5mph), AquaCraft Rescue 17

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                • jake414
                  Member
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 64

                  #23
                  I'm probably going to buy the batteries and just see where it's at. I want a good 45mph for now running good temps.

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                  • boatsrnew2me
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2016
                    • 476

                    #24
                    Originally posted by jake414


                    Rafael on here said he did 6s, 7.5degree timing, x440/3 ran 45mph?



                    i wouldnt run that x440/3 for long .make a pass or 2 and check your temps .its a nice prop but it adds alot of heat to that stock setup .i tried it .on 6s gets way too hot .
                    volantex vector pro ,proboat veles 29 , traxxas spartan, hobbyking/tfl pursuit ,ft009 with rescue rigging

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