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  • zooma
    Local club FE racer
    • May 2014
    • 652

    #1

    What solution for brown-outs?

    At first I thought that I was having a receiver range problem. After trying three different Spektrum rx models (SR410, SR2000, and MR200), now I am thinking it's a brown-out problem.

    Setup is six cells, Leo 4092 1480kv D wind, Swordfish 220 Pro+ esc, auto timing, propped for about 120 to 140 amps. Symptom is that I can get up to full throttle for about a half lap, then the motor quits. After about a minute, it comes back to life. Then I can go another half lap or less and it quits again. And so-on. At any time it comes back to life, I can make it back to shore at partial throttle. Data log shows acceptable volts, amps, and temp.

    Wouldn't the log show some sign of an esc cutoff? So I am thinking that the BEC is not delivering enough voltage under load. Next time out I am going to try a rx batt in the boat.

    Has anybody had this happen?
    Ron - The Villages, FL

    https://castawaysboatworx.org/
  • rickwess
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 777

    #2
    A momentary glitch can be solved with a capacitor connected to the receiver. It sounds like your issue is that your ESC is entering LVC. The most likely cause is that you have the cell count programmed incorrectly.

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    • JimClark
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2007
      • 5907

      #3
      where is your antenna? and are we talking a carbon fiber hull
      "Our society strives to avoid any possibility of offending anyone except God.
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      • eboat
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2007
        • 693

        #4
        What lipos are you using ?
        Are they a 1P set up or 2P ?
        What C rating are they ?

        You might be just drawing too much from them and the voltage drops too far

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        • 785boats
          Wet Track Racing
          • Nov 2008
          • 3169

          #5
          Do you have the LVC programmed to motor shut off, or reduced power, in the event of the LVC being hit?
          If it is set to reduced power & the motor is just stopping then it could be a bad solder joint on one of the connectors. Give each connector on the ESC & batteries a good pull & a wiggle to see if the solder has let go under the heat shrink & is only just making contact until the current separates the solder again. It's happened to me before more than once.

          If you have the LVC set to motor shut off, try the pull & wiggle test anyway. It could still be the problem.
          See the danger. THEN DO IT ANYWAY!!!
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          • ray schrauwen
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Apr 2007
            • 9471

            #6
            You are still using internal BEC? Try external.

            '-----

            Yes, an Rx pack might help.
            Nortavlag Bulc

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            • zooma
              Local club FE racer
              • May 2014
              • 652

              #7
              Originally posted by rickwess
              A momentary glitch can be solved with a capacitor connected to the receiver. It sounds like your issue is that your ESC is entering LVC. The most likely cause is that you have the cell count programmed incorrectly.
              Interested in the glitch buster capacitor. However, there is no rudder glitching, just motor cutoff.

              I program this esc using a laptop with usb interface and Hiefi Swordfish software. Have been using LVC set to six cells and 3.0v per cell cutoff. Last time out, I reprogrammed for LVC almost deactivated. Still had the problem. I don't think it is LVC.
              Ron - The Villages, FL

              https://castawaysboatworx.org/

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              • zooma
                Local club FE racer
                • May 2014
                • 652

                #8
                Originally posted by JimClark
                where is your antenna? and are we talking a carbon fiber hull
                Yes, CF hull. With MR200 rx, longer antenna is in a 12" tube and shorter antenna taped to top of deck. With SR410 rx, the antenna is in an 8" tube. With latest SR2000 rx, antenna is in a 3" tube.
                Ron - The Villages, FL

                https://castawaysboatworx.org/

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                • zooma
                  Local club FE racer
                  • May 2014
                  • 652

                  #9
                  Originally posted by eboat
                  What lipos are you using ?
                  Are they a 1P set up or 2P ?
                  What C rating are they ?

                  You might be just drawing too much from them and the voltage drops too far
                  Fairly recent Turnigy nanotech 6S1P, 5000mah, 65C. Data log is showing 22v, sometimes down to 20v. But this happens even with fresh charge.
                  Last edited by zooma; 11-07-2015, 12:18 AM.
                  Ron - The Villages, FL

                  https://castawaysboatworx.org/

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                  • zooma
                    Local club FE racer
                    • May 2014
                    • 652

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 785boats
                    Do you have the LVC programmed to motor shut off, or reduced power, in the event of the LVC being hit?
                    If it is set to reduced power & the motor is just stopping then it could be a bad solder joint on one of the connectors. Give each connector on the ESC & batteries a good pull & a wiggle to see if the solder has let go under the heat shrink & is only just making contact until the current separates the solder again. It's happened to me before more than once.

                    If you have the LVC set to motor shut off, try the pull & wiggle test anyway. It could still be the problem.
                    Will check
                    Ron - The Villages, FL

                    https://castawaysboatworx.org/

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                    • zooma
                      Local club FE racer
                      • May 2014
                      • 652

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ray schrauwen
                      You are still using internal BEC? Try external.

                      '-----

                      Yes, an Rx pack might help.
                      Sure, external bec is an option. I'll try an rx pack first, since I have one.
                      Ron - The Villages, FL

                      https://castawaysboatworx.org/

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