Hobbyking boats

[lenny]

The pursuit is a grate all around boat,
I just started testing and modding thing on mine.
But it is very good boat and very stable in heavy chop so far.

[lenny]

Hear a link for more info on these HK boats that was started in,
Forum: Product Reviews.

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...58-New-HK-Mono

[Skullcracken]

would the genesis not be a good boat for my first FE? how about a pursuit?

Genesis is a popular starter boat. Then can be modded to break 80mph. Id get the Genesis.

[Cinnabun]

Genesis it is than.

Would you skip buying the $120 rtr relentless to get a feel for a cat? I have no idea if a cat is what I want. I think they look cool, but how do I know its right for me and how I drive?

I really like how my villain drives. When I punch it, the whole hull pops out of the water. I want something that throws a rooster tail too.

[IRON-PAWW]

My outerlimits arrived pretty damaged. HK gave me $40 credit to spend in their online store. Pretty pathetic if you want my opinion. I've strengthened inside the hull and the hatch. Repaired cracks through the gelcoat and main resin layers, and re-glued the motor mounting back into place. Installed a stinger & trim tabs plus extra turn fin. Put in a leopard 2200kv motor + seaking 180 ESC. 90% done with the repairs. There's another thread which reports the black can 2075 kv motor isn't actually that bad. You could go 5s with that after a bit of testing I'd say. It would be a good boat for the money if you got it in one piece.

[785boats]

The last run I did with my Outer Limits, last weekend, I was spinnig a Y547 on that stock 3660 2075kv TFL motor. She was running a lot faster than she was in my video that Skullcracken posted a link to. No Temp issues at all. They are a powerfull little motor. I run a few different size TFL motors in different boats. Don't be too quick to judge them unless you try them. I'm not saying that they are anywhere near a Nue or castle, but they are as good as a similar Leopard in the setups I & other club members have tried.

[Peter A]

I've got a pursuit from hobbyking, it arrived very well packaged and even though the box was showing some abuse the boat was undamaged.The only issue was a bent prop shaft, which I straightened, and I changed out the motor that came with it for a hk 3665 1800kv motor. It runs T120 esc and x437/3 prop and apart from slight adjustment to the trim tabs and stinger it ran well from the first. I race oval so at 40mph it is a good boat, and on club days I am racing nitro and gas boats and can hold my own, except for the big modded gasers which are just too fast. A 3674 2200kv leo is on the cards, but I'm pretty happy with this boat so far. Oh yeah I had to glue the batt tray back in after last club day, but it did stuff hard a couple of times! Overall well worth the coin.05052013223.jpg

[Skullcracken]

Genesis it is than.

Would you skip buying the $120 rtr relentless to get a feel for a cat? I have no idea if a cat is what I want. I think they look cool, but how do I know its right for me and how I drive?

I really like how my villain drives. When I punch it, the whole hull pops out of the water. I want something that throws a rooster tail too.

For the price difference I would get the genesis. You'll be able to have more upgrade options with the larger hull. You have to decide whether you want a vee or a cat. Cats are going to be better for speed. Vees are better at choppy water, turning multiple directions, hopping waves.

[Cinnabun]

Cats can only turn one way?

I'm stuck between the pursuit or the genesis.

[J.W. Pepper]

Genesis it is than.

Would you skip buying the $120 rtr relentless to get a feel for a cat? I have no idea if a cat is what I want. I think they look cool, but how do I know its right for me and how I drive?

I really like how my villain drives. When I punch it, the whole hull pops out of the water. I want something that throws a rooster tail too.

I think they look cool, but how do I know its right for me and how I drive?...
I got a AQ Wildcat EP last summer for same reasons your talking about - IE: cats look cool. I learned that it didn't fit my driving style or the water conditions at the lake I goto.

I don't know if all cats are like this... but mine turned real flat, think motorcycle vs car. With a motorcycle you lean into turns, cars turn flat, and if your going to fast they'll flip over. Now apply that concept to a mono (motorcycle) vs a cat (car). I had to drive the WC like a car, slow down going into a turn, then gently apply throttle coming out or it would (and did) flip over.

Check out post #13 - lenny states: "V hulls are grate all around boats, They can handle chop or glass waters." I completely agree with him based on my own experiences.

In post #11 - you said you really liked your Rio ep, if your willing to spend some money and put out a crap load of time, you can convert it to brushless. BUT, something I've learned with mine (several times) is they don't handle well much past the mid-20 mph range. Check out post #15 in this thread... http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...-scratch-build - for more info.

Besides, who the heck wants to spend a bunch of time building / re-building a boat at this time of year?? This the time of year we all live for, running our boats.

Now for the good news... for about $220 you can get one of these... http://www.proboatmodels.com/Product...ProdId=PRB0650 - yeah ok it's plastic, but so are Rio's.

The Shockwave is basically a scaled down version of the popular Impulse 31's, it's very close in size to the Rio, brushless outta the box, supports 3S LiPo's outta the box, can do 30+ mph outta the box, comes with an offset rudder (no need to re-engineer the transom as some have done with their Rio's), only downside is the Dynamite electronics. Personally I prefer the genuine Proboat motors & ESC's found in the version-1 MG's, Impulse's and so on, but that's just my opinion.

Just some food for thought, happy boating

[Cinnabun]

I think they look cool, but how do I know its right for me and how I drive?...
I got a AQ Wildcat EP last summer for same reasons your talking about - IE: cats look cool. I learned that it didn't fit my driving style or the water conditions at the lake I goto.

I don't know if all cats are like this... but mine turned real flat, think motorcycle vs car. With a motorcycle you lean into turns, cars turn flat, and if your going to fast they'll flip over. Now apply that concept to a mono (motorcycle) vs a cat (car). I had to drive the WC like a car, slow down going into a turn, then gently apply throttle coming out or it would (and did) flip over.

Check out post #13 - lenny states: "V hulls are grate all around boats, They can handle chop or glass waters." I completely agree with him based on my own experiences.

In post #11 - you said you really liked your Rio ep, if your willing to spend some money and put out a crap load of time, you can convert it to brushless. BUT, something I've learned with mine (several times) is they don't handle well much past the mid-20 mph range. Check out post #15 in this thread... http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...-scratch-build - for more info.

Besides, who the heck wants to spend a bunch of time building / re-building a boat at this time of year?? This the time of year we all live for, running our boats.

Now for the good news... for about $265~$280 you can get one of these... http://www.proboatmodels.com/Product...ProdId=PRB0650 - yeah ok it's plastic, but so are Rio's.

The Shockwave is basically a scaled down version of the popular Impulse 31's, it's very close in size to the Rio, brushless outta the box, supports 3S LiPo's outta the box, can do 30+ mph outta the box, comes with an offset rudder (no need to re-engineer the transom as some have done with their Rio's), only downside is the Dynamite electronics. Personally I prefer the genuine Proboat motors & ESC's found in the version-1 MG's, Impulse's and so on, but that's just my opinion.

Just some food for thought, happy boating

Great insight. Regarding the cat, I have a pretty smooth pond to run on. It has minimal chop on windy days. I am worried about flipping it, however I am not racing so if I need to slow down in turns, I am ok with that.

Regarding the rio, I bought a sv27 BL system for it. I plan to run it on 4s. It shouldnt be painfully fast. If the yogurt container hull buckles under the power, I will scrap the boat, maybe use it as a rescue rig. Ive looked at the shockwave BL, but with the motor and esc I bought, I figure my Rio will be comparable to a shockwave, so I see no point in buying one.

[lenny]

Hi,
Most boat turn better right than left.
It is because of the prop rotation to the left and it is no big deal for sport running,
Now if it is a Hydro than it is a big deal like the ul-1.
Also just about all boats can flip, You just need to learn how to drive them right.
The Rio is great modded to brushless,
You just need to set it up right with the right kv motor and prop.
I use a x440/3 and that helps it run nice and smooth with less torque roll from it.
Hear is my Daytona running on 4s and lite choppy waters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnnhuBAfefQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6jf6SVtnXM&feature=player_embedded

Cats can only turn one way?

I'm stuck between the pursuit or the genesis.

[RandyatBBY]

I bought four 5800 50C 100C hard case 2S packs I ran them in my speck boats at the nats and melted the case pulling around 65 amps. I sent them back for store credit after the Nats not a word from them. They will take your money and send you junk Not happy at all. $147.00 down the tubes.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=24198

[J.W. Pepper]

Great insight. Regarding the cat, I have a pretty smooth pond to run on. It has minimal chop on windy days. I am worried about flipping it, however I am not racing so if I need to slow down in turns, I am ok with that.

Regarding the rio, I bought a sv27 BL system for it. I plan to run it on 4s. It shouldnt be painfully fast. If the yogurt container hull buckles under the power, I will scrap the boat, maybe use it as a rescue rig. Ive looked at the shockwave BL, but with the motor and esc I bought, I figure my Rio will be comparable to a shockwave, so I see no point in buying one.

I bought a sv27 BL system for it. I plan to run it on 4s. It shouldnt be painfully fast...
Last week I ran mine with a PB 1800Kv (from IM-31-v1) on 3S, it was stupid fast and extremely difficult to control at speed. If you want to run 4S contact "tlandauer" he's running a 4S setup in his Rio - with the stock plastic prop no less.

Unlike me, he used a narrow motor mount so he can put the batts on each side of the motor, really adds a lot of stability. He's also running a PB 1500Kv motor not 1800Kv (or 1750Kv for original SV).

Lenny, last summer you suggested a x440/3 prop when I had torque roll issues. I tried it, made the motor run very hot and scubbed off a ton of top end speed.

Last week, when I again had torque roll issues, I tried a x436/3 prop hoping to avoid the hot motor & keep top end speed. It did solve the torque roll issues and the motor did stay cool to the touch. BUT, once again top end speed suffered, badly.

I'm happy to hear that you've found some way to make 3-bladed props work for you; I've tried 2 different prop sizes with 2 very different motors with similar results both times.

1800Kv on 3S is only 19,980rpm's - last summer I ran this Tacon 2700Kv motor... http://www.hobbypartz.com/96m273-2848-2700kv-15t.html - on 8.4v = 22,680rpm's - with the same size Kintec prop I used last week (x442 aluminum), no handling issues at all. The torque roll issues came up when I replaced the 2700Kv motor with this 3000Kv motor... http://www.hobbypartz.com/3330kv-rc-...car-motor.html.

The Tacon & HobbyWing are 2-pole car motors, the PB (and AQ) motors are 6-pole marine motors with "Y" wind(s). Apparently, those extra poles and / or the wind type give those marine motors far more torque than those car motors have.

That said, I checked out PB's promo vid for the Shockwave BL V3. Don't know what size batt they were using when that vid was filmed, but that boat is moving along quite nicely. That vid combined with my experience's last week have led me to believe that a PB 1500Kv motor on 3S would be a much better choice for my Rio than the 1800Kv motor I tired last week; so that's the direction I'm going.

I posted a WTB for a PB 1500Kv motor in the swap shop, found one & bought it - should get it by mid~late next week. Obviously I'll have to replace the 3.5mm bullets, no biggie, Tim turned me onto a trick for removing (3.5mm & 4mm) bullets couple days ago, tried it yesterday, worked perfect.

One other thing to keep in mind... I took 3/8" off each rudder, that's a total of 3/4" less rudder induced drag the motor has to overcome. There's a pic of my modded rudders next to the stockers in Killah2469's Rio build thread - post #15. I don't want to hijack his thread, so that's the only post I'm doin bout my Rio.


Sorry for the long winded post you guys - I wanted to cover all the bases in one shot, instead of doing multiple posts.

Happy boating everybody

[J.W. Pepper]

I bought four 5800 50C 100C hard case 2S packs I ran them in my speck boats at the nats and melted the case pulling around 65 amps. I sent them back for store credit after the Nats not a word from them. They will take your money and send you junk Not happy at all. $147.00 down the tubes.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=24198

Can't tell you how many times I've heard that story (or similar), lost count long time ago.

They burned me twice, thank God for PayPal, took awhile but I did get my money back.