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  • ReddyWatts
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 1711

    #1

    Wire????

    What kind of wire are you using when you add length or change wires to the ESC, full spec copper, copper clad aluminum or what? This video shows the difference in wire performance. You need to pay attention to what you are using.



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  • Serpents811
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 381

    #2
    When it comes down to that kind of specs I wouldn't trust no less than mogami or monster cable

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    • ReddyWatts
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2007
      • 1711

      #3
      I have been guilty of using some wire laying around in the garage. There is a difference. Only buy the good stuff for use in your boats
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      M1 Supercat - Neu 1527 1Y, 8s / Mean Machine- Feigao 580, 8s, 120 HV esc
      Mean Machine - Feigao 540 14XL, 8s, 100 amp HV esc, X537/3

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      • RandomHero
        Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 88

        #4
        GOOD LUCK finding good wire u can get it on here but thats about it

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        • JrValente
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 105

          #5
          Just look for a high strand copper wire(awg appropriate) and you'll be fine.

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          • Make-a-Wake
            FE Rules!
            • Nov 2009
            • 5557

            #6
            This is what I use on the high amp, high voltage boats, Pure copper 8g. The video confirms my thoughts about it being very good wire, and its about $1.10 per foot. I use 10g on everything else.

            There are alot of RC boaters out there that may not realize how important good, large guage wire can be in any setup. I'd rather it be too large than too small. Precious amps and voltage are lost as can be seen in the video.............the 'bad' wire suffered a whole volt less in loss and got to 215*!!!!!!!!!

            That volt can easily keep you back in third place rather than being on the top tier in the winners circle..............

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            • jcald2000
              Senior Member
              • May 2008
              • 774

              #7
              I only use Tinned pure copper wire. Tinning eliminates the "black death".

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              • ReddyWatts
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Apr 2007
                • 1711

                #8
                Originally posted by JrValente
                Just look for a high strand copper wire(awg appropriate) and you'll be fine.
                Skin Effect and Skin Depth Notes: Skin effect is the tendency of an alternating electric current (AC) to distribute itself within a conductor so that the current density near the surface of the conductor is greater than that at its core. That is, the electric current tends to flow at the "skin" of the conductor. The skin effect causes the effective resistance of the conductor to increase with the frequency of the current.

                More strands is better on the motor side (AC) of the ESC. More copper is better on the battery side (DC) of the ESC.
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                • JrValente
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 105

                  #9
                  In our applications you need the flexability to manuver the wires and for the durability, so that is why I recommend the high strand wire.

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                  • ReddyWatts
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1711

                    #10
                    I agree, but this is why we can use a rigid copper dc bus in a hv application on the batteries. We have to use high stranded copper wire on the motor side due to the ac and frequency that changes the wire resistance.
                    Last edited by ReddyWatts; 08-28-2012, 10:52 AM.
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                    M1 Supercat - Neu 1527 1Y, 8s / Mean Machine- Feigao 580, 8s, 120 HV esc
                    Mean Machine - Feigao 540 14XL, 8s, 100 amp HV esc, X537/3

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                    • jcald2000
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 774

                      #11
                      Reddy, so pulsed DC is effectively AC??

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                      • ReddyWatts
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1711

                        #12
                        It has a frequency.
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                        M1 Supercat - Neu 1527 1Y, 8s / Mean Machine- Feigao 580, 8s, 120 HV esc
                        Mean Machine - Feigao 540 14XL, 8s, 100 amp HV esc, X537/3

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                        • siberianhusky
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 2187

                          #13
                          It's dc, frequency or not the voltage never swings negative.
                          If my boats upside down then who owns the one I thought I was driving the last two laps?

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                          • ReddyWatts
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 1711

                            #14
                            Compare it to an audio signal in the video, it has the same effects to heat the wire. Does not have to be a sine wave.
                            ReddyWatts fleet photo
                            M1 Supercat - Neu 1527 1Y, 8s / Mean Machine- Feigao 580, 8s, 120 HV esc
                            Mean Machine - Feigao 540 14XL, 8s, 100 amp HV esc, X537/3

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                            • siberianhusky
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 2187

                              #15
                              Yes but your answer above implied that it was AC because it had a frequency and thats not quite right. It's still DC voltage you're dealing with. Even though it has a rise and fall from switching it never switches direction, it just turns on and off, it always stays between 0 and you max positive voltage.
                              If my boats upside down then who owns the one I thought I was driving the last two laps?

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