Restrictor Plate racing

[Darin Jordan]

Yes.yes.yes,I get it.How hard would it be to just have PB come out with a 2030 motor? In roar if a motor manufacture wanted to compete they built a legal motor.
And daren, I do know you.When you were first on the red boards and were brian this, brian that. brian put jelly on his toast this morning, brian had turkey for lunch. We took your avatar photo of you holding your baby and photo shoppd in a pic of brian with the wide brim hat on, it was hilarios, everybody in the midwest giggled.daren, ever forum you are on your post count is like 10 to 1 of other people, ths just tells me how often you feel you need to give your opinion.

Feel better now? Sounds like a very childish group.

Have a great Easter...

[jantagg]

I wrote this in Rumunner but, since no one seems to go there, I'll post it here. I think you all are going in the wrong direction. From my years of experience, it is the slower boats that finish and come home with all the trophies and I think that is unfair. I'm a great believer in fairness. I think that all boats must abtain and run at equal speed with the fastest boat in the heat. If you can't keep up you are out. I am not sure how that can be accomplished but, it is a objective worthy of exploration.

Just my thoughts.

[TheShaughnessy]

What exactly is the problem with product placement. If darin or any if the grims makes a bad ass boat that they love and worked their ass to do it ,why shouldn't they be able to tell everyone about it, hell even promote it. How are more people gonna get into rc boats if no one opens their mouth? Are we supposed to stare at a wall and just wait for people to mythically, magically appear at the local water hole.

I would love to see bleachers at the nationals. Hundreds in attendance just to watch the countries top racers battle it out on the liquid oval.
It would be great. Awesome even.

[Todd Fleury]

Doug, what prop were you running with the 1800?

[Doby]

Jeff my buddy. Darin is not the enemy.

The enemy is a combination of idle time, forums, motives, opinions and passion.

Terry - Thanks for coming to my rescue. Terry certainly said it best. We agreed almost unaminously to a set of rules. Leave it alone please. We all got caught up in the changing technolgy, new rules, new classes etc. The participation level dropped down to a core group of us that stuck it out. As much as I live for this hobby, any more class or rule changes that causes me to have to purchase more items or rebuild boats I will be the first to walk away and there are more of us with the exact same thoughts.

Interesting thoughts on the difference in performance between the 1800 and the 2030. I just put my first 1800 on an 8 lb tunnel running a hugh prop and blew away a 6 lb tunnel running a 2030. Of course I am early in the testing stages.

Carry on gents.

I hate your tunnels.....

[Doby]

Yes.yes.yes,I get it.How hard would it be to just have PB come out with a 2030 motor? In roar if a motor manufacture wanted to compete they built a legal motor.
And daren, I do know you.When you were first on the red boards and were brian this, brian that. brian put jelly on his toast this morning, brian had turkey for lunch. We took your avatar photo of you holding your baby and photo shoppd in a pic of brian with the wide brim hat on, it was hilarios, everybody in the midwest giggled.daren, ever forum you are on your post count is like 10 to 1 of other people, ths just tells me how often you feel you need to give your opinion.

Because more often than not, he's providing useful info to a lot of people....

[raptor347]

Interesting thoughts on the difference in performance between the 1800 and the 2030. I just put my first 1800 on an 8 lb tunnel running a hugh prop and blew away a 6 lb tunnel running a 2030. Of course I am early in the testing stages.

My testing wasn't exhaustive by any measure. Just used my existing sport and rigger hulls as common test beds. I could probably get more out of the 1800kV motor with a boat designed to harness the torque with absurd props. Maybe a 1655 with some work on the appropriately sized rigger.

[Jeff]

So why doesn't pro boat just make a motor in the 2000kv range?

[DPeterson]

Sport 40 II - The prop started as a 447/3. I will also be looking to try a worked 450/3. I know 2 blade props are generally considered to be faster than 3 blades but I just like to be different. Also, my lower unit is a machined down Lawless. Very low drive line resistance.

Brian - I concur that the size of boat has to match up with the prop size required to get the performance out of the 1800 motor. A 447/3 blade on a smaller and lighter tunnel would have thrown the boat all over the place. It also would have smoked a 2030. I purposely went to a larger and heavier tunnel because it match's or better yet covers up my suspect drive style. As we all keep preaching - it is the full package that makes it all work. I am thinking though that the 1800 motor coupled with the right size boats gives us many more options for props. The 2030 seems to have us locked into the 45mm area.

Doby - Give it some time, you will grow to love my tunnels.

[siberianhusky]

"My testing wasn't exhaustive by any measure. Just used my existing sport and rigger hulls as common test beds. I could probably get more out of the 1800kV motor with a boat designed to harness the torque with absurd props. Maybe a 1655 with some work on the appropriately sized rigger."


This is what really causes the performance difference between a newbie and a seasoned racer.
No new guy is going to know how to change a prop to be able to match that kind of performance, and will probably burn up equipment trying it.
I think the current rules work pretty well - but I do think that props should be limited to balanced and sharpened off the shelf props by any manufacturer.
This way it comes down to basic setup and driving, could also include a rule that the last place finisher can buy the first place prop for fair market value for a sharpened and balanced prop.
There aren't that many props that are appropriate to P-spec power anyway, would be pretty easy to spec a max diameter of prop that shouldn't allow stuff to burn up with a proper setup, still up to you to make the decision and do the testing to find which stock shaped prop works best for your boat.
As far as more spec motors allowed, where are they? There really aren't that many decent motors out there that fit the bill and are actually cheaper.
Sorry but HK stock is far to unreliable, might allow a motor onto the list then it's on backorder for a year! So they have to be a brand that you can buy almost anywhere. Look at how hobbypartz stock of motors has slowly dwindled over the last year.
Same goes for 60 amp esc's if you wanted to limit the esc capacity. There just isn't much available with a decent burst rating that will handle 4s without a bec and is watercooled, unless you go with the AQ or PB esc's. But when you can get a 120 amp esc for less money you have to admit it makes buying a 60 amp esc much less attractive.
Proboat and Aquacraft have given us some pretty good stuff to work with that is available everywhere and the specs don't change from batch to batch, stock seems to be available always, would be nice if Castle or somebody like that decided to work with boaters to build a motor that fits the needs and is no more expensive than a 2030. But then that would probably become the only motor to run and it would be a one manufacturer motor class, kinda like it is with the 2030.
Can't make everybody happy, people have to decide on their own if the class suits them.
I used to race Karts and MX and in well over 30 years of competition I've learned that racing ANYTHING costs too much! But it's so much fun!

[T.S.Davis]

Yeah but then what? No tweaking of props.....or if you do you lose the prop. Basically if you have skills your punished. Once we deter all the vets from running spec will there be spec anymore? Are rookies going to carry spec?

Is anyone having trouble getting spec motors that wants them? There was a point where AQ got behind but I thought of late the supply was pretty good.

Spec is "limited" not stock. Stock can be done at the club level. "Limited" spec is kind of in between a stocker class and open classes. At least in my head it is. IN between is where most people want to hang out.

[Jeff]

Um Terry, in your head is a place tht should be off lmits to all.

Can no one anser why PB cannot make another motor to compete?

[siberianhusky]

What can you do, if you change the rules so a few won't win all the time they whine, if they have to buy something new they threaten to quit the class or even hobby, some new guys don't like losing all the time and quit because they can't mod a prop and be in the running on occasion.
I think the rules work and don't really want to see it closed or opened up anymore.
We're working on building a club around here and to keep it simple are kinda pushing the spec thing to avoid confusion. For a long time we had a strong nitro club but over the years and partially because an ass of a hobby shop owner it died out. Back in the day we hosted a race that had at least one hundred boats from Canada and the States.

[T.S.Davis]

Jeff....you hurt my feeling. That was the last one I had too. NOT!

Are the heats on most ponds being dominated by prop ninja? I haven't seen that but I have a limited view. Our guys aren't moding props to win. Balanced, sharpened and thinned blades sure. A couple of us have prop anvils but have no clue what to do with them. Weigh down the heat sheets maybe.

Having the perfect CG, the exact strut angle their boat wants with prop x,y,z, trailing edges you can cut meat with, flat surfaces are truly flat, rudders you can shave with, turn fins that could get you arrested at the air port, being in the right place on the course, nailing the start, waiting for the guy ahead of them to make a mistake and leave lanes one and two unprotected, not blowing their boat off the water, knowing when to let off the throttle because their out of shape, not leaving lanes one and two open. These are learned habbits from experience.

There is no way legislate all the factors out of racing. Maybe we should install slots like slot cars. Then it's just time. No skill required. No need to practice turns.

[TheShaughnessy]

Seems like constant rule changes would be expensive as well. I also couldn't see getting an aq or Proboat esc over the more affordable seaking/tunigy line. It seems to be working well enough the way it is here in so cal