NAMBA FE proposals passed

[D. Newland]

You're missing the fact that we have legalized specific motors, to be run as shipped from the manufacturer, for National competition. Something has to be in place to make sure a racer is using a legal motor.

It won't be more complicated and you have nothing to worry about if you're running per the rules.

[Darin Jordan]

oh boy, here we go, more tech stuff. If one of the approved motors is used and the correct number of cells are used, WHY are you trying to make it more complicated again! What am I missing here? Jeeeez

Seriously??? Do you actually RACE?? I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm really curious, because if you understand the motors we use, you will also understand just how easy it would be to tweak them to be more than they are suppose to be.

If NAMBA is going to have this as an official class, and it's able to set real SAW and 2-Lap records, and in which National Champions will be crowned (which it is, and they are and they will be!), then a method of validating that everything is legal is REQUIRED!

I would think that would be commonly understood....


David,

I figured you were on top of it. Thanks, and like Terry said, GREAT JOB!! We really appreciate your time and efforts!!

[T.S.Davis]

Teching/verifying will be a zero issue for any racer if he's not trying to cheat. The fact that they can be caught will hopefully be enough to discourage it. Sucks that we need to worry about it but it's racing. Pushing the rules kinda comes along for the ride.

[sailr]

Darin,
YES, I race and I don't need your condescending smart ass attitude. My comment was directed to the fact we now have 'officially' certain motors we can use and that is great. I didn't see the need to go beyond that but I guess if there are those out there a lot smarter than I am about 'tweaking' the motors, as you call it, then perhaps the procedure is needed. It's just a shame there are people that will cheat for a trinket or certificate or record.
David, much thanks for your efforts. Guess I just like to keep things friendly but if cheaters are involved then we need to tech like you said. I just didn't understand the concept but Darin very rudely explained it to me.

Seriously??? Do you actually RACE?? I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm really curious, because if you understand the motors we use, you will also understand just how easy it would be to tweak them to be more than they are suppose to be.

If NAMBA is going to have this as an official class, and it's able to set real SAW and 2-Lap records, and in which National Champions will be crowned (which it is, and they are and they will be!), then a method of validating that everything is legal is REQUIRED!

I would think that would be commonly understood....


David,

I figured you were on top of it. Thanks, and like Terry said, GREAT JOB!! We really appreciate your time and efforts!!

[DPeterson]

Gone fishing

[sailr]

Darrin


I seemed to remember during all of the discussions over the last 3 years concerning the rules for P-Limited is that the majority of us agreed that these classes are primarily for heat racing and not record setting classes and therefore the need to tech was a low priority. Where all of a sudden is this concern coming from?

In all the years we ran the 700 motors with open esc's I don't recall much teching going on.

Darrin - Go to some heat races and have some fun. Please stop with the popcorn threads.

Cheers - Doug

[D. Newland]

Doug-It was my call about P-Ltd being allowed for records. If we were going all the way with a P-Ltd Power Parameter, I wanted it as such. I remember how cool it was back when Dick Crowe and Paul Pachmeyer were going back and forth w/LSH records on 700 motors. The same can happen today.

Jim-I do a ton of racing and I haven't had the slightest bit of concern about any racer cheating. That said, there is concern out there. We really did have to come up with a plan, and as I mentioned above, it will be of no concern or add complexity to those that play by the rules.

I really do hate that it had to be done...but I can see the positives in it as well.

[DPeterson]

Gone fishing

[DPeterson]

Gone fishing

[T.S.Davis]

Doug you're just like me. Real fast for about 3.5 laps. Then floating....usually upside down.

You can send cheese to my house any time. Stinky is fine as long as it's sharp enough to cut wood.

[fatboyelectric]

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[Jeff]

Well if the guy's in the north west quit taking their spec motors apart then there wouldn't be any problems , would there?

[Darin Jordan]

Nice try, guys... but I was neither rude, or, as Mr. Peterson seems to think, WRONG. If you guys want to still consider this playing with toy boats, that's your issue. Some of us have a little more time and heart invested, and the rules matter to us. I don't know about the rest of you, but getting a hall pass for a weekend of racing isn't always easy, and I prefer to make the most of it when I can. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in wanting people to play by the rules. If that's evil or wrong or somehow rocking the boat, so be it.

And Doug... you can take your condescending attitude and cram it as far as I'm concerned. You just slammed many of the people who have made this hobby great, and who don't consider this stuff just "playing with toy boats". There is nothing wrong with having goals and trying to achieve them, and 2-Laps and SAW are both just another form of having FUN in this hobby.

Now excuse me, but I have to go now and get ready for ANOTHER heat racing weekend...

[raptor347]

Hey Darin, how many heat races do we have up here this season?

Something like a race every weekend from now until September, and any class you could care to race. Spec boats, scale, open FE, Gas, Nitro. For that matter, we've got three sailing clubs (racing) and a competitive combat warship group.

I've already been to 4 heat races, a 2-lap and a SAW event this season.

Sooner or later we see just about everything RC boat related within about 3 hours of my house.

Modded spec motors aren't a huge problem, but they've been known to show up. It's only a concern because I've watched it happen. Dave will get it figured out (note my confidence)! BTW we'll need that test equipment and procedures for the LA SAW's this October.

I figure as long as props are open, I don't need any other advantages.

Dave,
Can we replace worn bearings in spec motors? Funny thing, my spec motors last long enough to have bearings go bad.

[T.S.Davis]

Darin, did you hit your head on something? Doug was only pointing out how silly it is (to him) to cheat the system. I tend to agree. I've got some time invested too. I've also seen racers cheat. My belief that it's a hobby and nothing more makes it impossible for me to understand it. These are toy boats. I have a bunch of them. Built a bunch of them from scratch. They're toys. If they are more than that to you then you need a new hobby. It's thinking that these are any more than toy boats that inspires cheating. Win at all costs just rubs me wrong. I can't imagine being so serious about achieving my goals that I would sacrifice my integrity to do it. For a hobby? My toy boat hobby? Maybe if my hobby was "winning".

Maybe the rule needs teeth. Get caught and you're banned from the class for a season or two. How about forever? That would be a deterrent.