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  • D. Newland
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Dec 2007
    • 1030

    #1

    NAMBA FE proposals passed

    Proposal 1 (P-Ltd and Power Parameter clean up):

    49 For
    4 Against

    Proposal 2 (OPC cleanup):

    50 For
    3 Against


    Ken and I discussed this and these changes are allowed at the 2011 NAMBA FE Nat's. Basically, there are 2 minor changes to what Ken has previously posted about the Nat's:

    1) the "new" 1800 Kv motors (SV 27-R and Stiletto) are legal P-Ltd motors (Hydro, Offshore, OPC, LSH). Crackerbox is running per the Word document Ken has previously posted.

    2) Q voltages can run in S/T classes (now technically "T").


    A large number of FE racers were involved in the crafting of these proposals and I'm glad to know that it overwhelmingly passed. For all those involved, thank you!

    I did not want drama. I did not want anything that would even remotely fracture our group. I wanted something that (most) all could buy in to.

    At first, the numbers seem like a low turnout, especially knowing that about 20% of those votes were from non FE members and NAMBA has close to 1500 members. However, the proposal was really about NAMBA FE with really no scale component, so it's easily understood that the NW FE Scale guys may not have had any bulk interest in this proposal. Nitro/Gas guys...obviously not. Also, there was no real battle going on to spur taking sides and/or politicking. For those that were not around back in '07 when we went through the LiPo proposal, consider yourself fortunate.

    Lastly, we really need to make a concerted effort to fight the urge to change rules. Obviously, there are instances where it's necessary, but it better be well thought out, have national understanding/suport (rather than district/regional support) and pull % support numbers similar to what are listed above, or it will have a problem getting my support. FE has a not-so-good reputation for asking for change after change after change, and we need to break that cycle...or at the very least diminish it greatly. Explore every avenue to work within the book we've got rather than thinking a change is needed.

    Happy boating, guys, and thank you for your support.
  • ron1950
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Aug 2010
    • 3024

    #2
    was wondering what the results of the voteing were...thanks for the results ...for a change i was on the winning side lol
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    • sailr
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Nov 2007
      • 6927

      #3
      Good news. Thanks for the update David.
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      • Fluid
        Fast and Furious
        • Apr 2007
        • 8011

        #4
        Lastly, we really need to make a concerted effort to fight the urge to change rules....
        Hopefully that effort includes fighting the urge to add two new classes every year! Less is more.

        The new rules are very good for FE. Are they perfect? Of course not, not everyone will like them. But a lot of behind the scenes work was done and a general consensus was achieved. Clearly the NAMBA members who voted agreed.


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        • th3umbra
          Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 39

          #5
          Well I'm glad I have a SV27R motor on my tunnel and have been tuning and practicing with that! I was going to swap it out with the UL1 motor this weekend for the Nats. Guess not now lol. Is there a rule for the size ESC? I have a 120a Seaking in it right now and want to make sure it's legal.

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          • DPeterson
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 842

            #6
            Gone fishing
            Last edited by DPeterson; 05-26-2011, 05:08 AM.
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            • th3umbra
              Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 39

              #7
              Originally posted by DPeterson
              th3umbra


              Why not? Most of everyone I know runs the UL1 motor on their P-Limited Tunnels.



              There is no limit on esc's.

              D.Newland


              Dam - I had all these neat ideas ready to spill.

              Doug
              Thanks for the Intel Doug. Much appreciated. So maybe I'm reading the rule change wrong. Is it that the 1800kv motor is added to what motors can be used?

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              • LuckyDuc
                Team Ducati Racing
                • Dec 2008
                • 989

                #8
                I faxed my ballot in. I hope they got it.

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                • Rumdog
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 6453

                  #9
                  With technology that is constantly changing and improving rules will also need to be changed to accommodate otherwise we are just holding the sPort back.

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                  • Darin Jordan
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 8335

                    #10
                    Excellent... A step in the right direction, for the most part...


                    Now the fun of trying to tech this stuff begins!!
                    Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                    "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                    • T.S.Davis
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6220

                      #11
                      These should hold for a little while at least.

                      Stellar job Dave. You managed to put on paper exactly what many of us were already doing and added some direction that made sense to enough for this to pass.

                      I personally appreciate all your leg work. Distributing it at the nats for open discussion with people from all over the country was a great idea too. Nobody was blind sided as far as I know. Made it super painless on my end at the district level.

                      Thanks Dave. Big hug.
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                      • Fluid
                        Fast and Furious
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 8011

                        #12
                        Now the fun of trying to tech this stuff begins!!
                        Now all you need is a ruler and a VOM. We've been teching the FE boats at the NAMBA SAWs for several years using a VOM (measuring at the ESC) to verify the class the boat fits into. One of the good things about the rules is that specific voltage ranges are included. No ad hoc values, now it's official.




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                        • Darin Jordan
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 8335

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Fluid
                          Now all you need is a ruler and a VOM. We've been teching the FE boats at the NAMBA SAWs for several years using a VOM (measuring at the ESC) to verify the class the boat fits into. One of the good things about the rules is that specific voltage ranges are included. No ad hoc values, now it's official.




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                          Jay... I think you are going to need more than a ruler and a VOM to tech a "Limited" motor...
                          Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                          "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                          • D. Newland
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 1030

                            #14
                            Darin-I've already have it in the works.

                            I have a process, and I have the equipment. All a CD (of a NAMBA sanctioned event) has to do is ask for one or both, and it will be emailed to them and the equipment shipped to their doorstep. It's going to cost a few bucks to cover expenses.

                            The CD ultimately makes the decision how they are going to handle teching at their race. However, I do want to offer them a process that is consistent, fair and quick and the equipment to do it, if needed. Ultimately, I would like for it to be the "go to" process for CD's, but it will take some time to give it a thorough shake down before it can be called a Proof Source.

                            Just like with this proposal, it won't be perfect, but it will be sensible and it will be able to evolve as tech changes, measuring products come to market and processes get worked out/streamlined. It's a work in progress. It's also the best way to handle the situation, IMO. I don't want a hard fast tech "rule" in the book as it needs to be able to evolve without restriction or delay.

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                            • sailr
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 6927

                              #15
                              oh boy, here we go, more tech stuff. If one of the approved motors is used and the correct number of cells are used, WHY are you trying to make it more complicated again! What am I missing here? Jeeeez
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