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Graham. I think this chemistry will replace other lthium technologies. When, I have no idea. Then there will be some new state of the art battery which replaces all before it.
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I sure as heck hope you aren't referring to me here, Mr. Hill, because if you are, you are TOTALLY out of line with this comment... READ my posts above... I simply stated the facts as I understood them... that A123s are GREAT sport cells, but NOT as good for all out racing... That's a FACT... not an opinion, and not biased either way.... AND it had NOTHING to do with the rules for racing in either organization...
The question originally posed did not specify racing or sport, so I tried to answer covering both bases.... I have NO bias either way... and feel it's important that people get all the facts... Shame on me for trying to help again...
As for me entering into this conversation after the initial answer in the first place... let's also keep in mind, Mr. Hill... that these further comments from me were made in rebuttal of your own spewing of hype... 400amp N2s and such... There is a REALLY good group of DEDICATED, REAL RACERS (and NO, I'm not involved at this time...) out here trying to get these rules in order for a long term solution, and crap like this just mucks up the process... It was known last year that more work needed to be done, and that there was no all-at-once solution to getting this taken care of, and that was also made ABUNDANTLY clear to everyone... This type of crap does NOT help that process at all...
I wish I could just ignore it when people make things sound worse than they really are, but it affects my hobby and the ability to get people involved, so I take it personally and I feel it's important to try to set the record straight and get the other sides of the story out there... I agree that I need to keep some comments to myself... I'll keep that in mind in the future...
And to address Mr. Scotsman's concerns, I incorrectly punctuated my statement below, which I will correct here for clarity:
The "hype" was seeded INTO our converstations on this topic by a person who lives in Germany... His dedicated group of devotees spread that hype... That's all I was trying to suggest... I should have left this out of the conversation completely... It's just my assessment of things and not really relevant to the topic at hand... Sorry for introducing it in the first place...and not listen to the lingering hype, seeded by the Germans, in our country...
And for the record, my Great Grandfather immigrated here from Siberia from a town of Germans who were invited to migrate there at some point in history.... My Grandfather spoke fluent German and acted as a translator in WWII... Regardless of the name, I'm pretty sure I'm very much of German decent... Just trust me on this one...
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Thanks, Darin for explaining your position. Keep us informed on your new ventures. A small edit to the last post. Darin knows his stuff and he can advise you on how to set up a boatLast edited by Flying Scotsman; 12-13-2007, 05:11 PM.Comment
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I have seen this subject turn into a heated debate bordering on an argument now 3 times. Nothing positive ever results.
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I disagree somewhat... the whole Lipo thing was one big heated arguement in the first place, but from that, the truth rose to the forefront, and now you have people using the tech and realizing that what some of us were suggesting was actually the truth... which is resulting in 1/8th scales, LARGE Open monos, etc.. being built.... as well as racers/sport boaters across the country enjoying all the benefits of Lipo tech, Neu Motors, Castle ESCs, etc... I'd say that the general state of FE Boating in the US is in good shape... and that's positive...
I'm open to whatever tech happens to come along that will improve the hobby... Sport boating AND Racing... I'm also, however, open to the possible reality that the same tech might not be suitible for both... I don't see that as an "US" vs. "THEM" issue... it's simply reality and you can choose which way is best suited to your needs... People are racing successfully with A123s, and people are also using Lipos successfully without a garage or car being burned to the ground... We have choices... THAT is a positive thing, and it's stemmed largely from people talking about this type of thing and asking the questions...Last edited by Darin Jordan; 12-13-2007, 05:20 PM.Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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Tom, off base. Just lads, I trust expressing, their opinnionComment
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CAN WE GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC NOW PLEASE ???
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Sure... Get in touch with Pete at http://www.lousfastrc.com/ (his e-mail is [email protected] ) He's a STRONG advocate for A123 and Li-Ion cells and has done a ton of research and development... He is the best source I know of for A123 information and I'm sure would be happy to share what he knows...Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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Graham, I think it has been stated. You have to make up your own mindComment
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You can pull 120 amps out of A123 in parallel, not sure how they won't work. I don't think anyone has tried to make them work outside of the Racer classes. Watts = voltage x current, use another cell and get more voltage. Gee, I wonder why DeWalt went with A123 and not LiPoly? Cell life for one, safety for another. Fast charging is another. You won't find LiPoly in a real car, you will find A123.Comment
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Again... I don't know who has said they "won't work"... and I believe it's been stated several times that they work GREAT for running "outside of the Racer classes"... i.e.: Sport running... It was also stated that the Voltage drop is higher at those amps than an equivalent set of Lipos... which is important to "racers", but may not matter as much to Sport runners... Not sure why you are trying to make this into an arguement.... It sounds like we are agreeing on these points...
As for racing... the rules were written to accomodate whichever tech one wants to run... so you have the choice... Lipo or Li-ion... plusses and minuses to each.... some of the plusses make them better for cars and power tools, some better for racing... choose your poison and hit the lake!!
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Darin, you hit the nail on the head as far as racing is concerned. These lads will take every compenent to the max. If it does not cut the mustard...see you later. Therefore LI-PO rules, todayAgain... I don't know who has said they "won't work"... and I believe it's been stated several times that they work GREAT for running "outside of the Racer classes"... i.e.: Sport running... It was also stated that the Voltage drop is higher at those amps than an equivalent set of Lipos... which is important to "racers", but may not matter as much to Sport runners... Not sure why you are trying to make this into an arguement.... It sounds like we are agreeing on these points...
As for racing... the rules were written to accomodate whichever tech one wants to run... so you have the choice... Lipo or Li-ion... plusses and minuses to each.... some of the plusses make them better for cars and power tools, some better for racing... choose your poison and hit the lake!!Comment
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When two or more people get together they often race each other. You can call this sport running or racing. Dooize raced with others at this lake in CO. A123 should work very well in the old 14.4V 700 motor class, it's not going to out run a 14.8V LiPoly pack, but it won't burn you house down either.Comment
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