60mph setup

[Fluid]

I’m guessing Traxxas isn’t going to jeopardize their brand by marketing a bunch of garbage. Thoughts?

Traxxas builds to a price point - or rather their Chinese partners do. To meet that price point they have to compromise somewhere, and in their boat hulls they have gone with plastic rather than fiberglass.

No one has to work at Traxxas to know that the average fiberglass hull is stronger and will last longer than plastic. Some 'glass hulls are too thin and some are warped, but in general they are superior to plastic. Traxxas has already "jeopardized their brand" by putting an inappropriate motor in the Spartan and forcing their customers to replace parts. But they did this to meet that price point, not to screw their customers.

Some of their previous boats left a lot to be desired too, but we need to remember that the VAST majority of RTR buyers will only run their boat a handful of times before it goes into the attic for the next garage sale. They don't care about how long the plastic lasts. So many RTR manufacturers will build the boat just good enough for those customers. Sadly that's the way it is and has been with too many RTR boat companies. That is why it was such a breath of fresh air to see AquaCraft and ProBoat bring out higher quality RTRs like the SV27 and BJ26 at first, and now the UL-1, Stilleto and Miss Geico. The consumer now has a choice between junk, okay and very good. Until the above boats were introduced they really didn't have that choice.


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[Flying Scotsman]

Thanks Jay, that statement is so true and will help some people on making a wise decision. I would also add that overpowering an RTR hull may not be a good idea.

Douggie

[Diesel6401]

Placing those high dollar components in inadequate hull is a recipe for disaster. That hull won't survive those speeds and if the hull cracks your nice NEU may end up in Davey Jones' locker.... JMO

[Make-a-Wake]

Placing those high dollar components in inadequate hull is a recipe for disaster. That hull won't survive those speeds and if the hull cracks your nice NEU may end up in Davey Jones' locker.... JMO

I believe i stated that in post #5 as well.........................

[Brushless55]

Just bought a Spartan, and I’ve been reading statements from skeptics in this forum that lead me to believe plastics isn’t the best choice for a boat.???

I’m curious, have any of the skeptics work R&D at Traxxas? I’m no genius but I’m guessing Traxxas isn’t going to jeopardize their brand by marketing a bunch of garbage. Thoughts?

Run it like you stole it~

Best,

Hooligan~

Oh man, to funny!
have your seen the Traxxas forums about this spud?
this boat was said to be the fastest RTR boat
uh yeah, posted on the box is comes in saying "50mph+ on 6s"
we have yet to see these speeds and most every comment of customers with these boats have to do something to the cooling system or motors and escs burn up, and it runs low 40's

and Traxxas is deleting any and all comments posted on their forums about the motors getting to hot and also about the speed controls letting out the smoke, and that's running with the stock prop

[T.S.Davis]

I don't need to be R&D for Traxas. Although I would gladly have helped if asked. Any of us would have. I actually own my very own forming machine just for making plastic hulls. I don't make them anymore because I don't trust plastic at the speeds I run. My equipment is too valuable to me to take the risk. I've stuffed plastic boats at 50 plus and it can be ugly. It's not always a horrific failure but enough that I don't want to do it anymore. You can add structure and avoid catasrophy but at some point.....why bother? Plus it's hard to keep everything straight. Then there's the stress cracks. Ugh.

That said, I race boats. The average buyer that Jay described may never find that failure point.

[Diesel6401]

I believe i stated that in post #5 as well.........................

Yes I know, I was just elaborating more on it.

[properchopper]

Jay, I just love the way you make your points ; eloquent and to the heart of the matter. Tough love, but vastly experience-based. Keep 'em coming, Sir !

Traxxas builds to a price point - or rather their Chinese partners do. To meet that price point they have to compromise somewhere, and in their boat hulls they have gone with plastic rather than fiberglass.

No one has to work at Traxxas to know that the average fiberglass hull is stronger and will last longer than plastic. Some 'glass hulls are too thin and some are warped, but in general they are superior to plastic. Traxxas has already "jeopardized their brand" by putting an inappropriate motor in the Spartan and forcing their customers to replace parts. But they did this to meet that price point, not to screw their customers.

Some of their previous boats left a lot to be desired too, but we need to remember that the VAST majority of RTR buyers will only run their boat a handful of times before it goes into the attic for the next garage sale. They don't care about how long the plastic lasts. So many RTR manufacturers will build the boat just good enough for those customers. Sadly that's the way it is and has been with too many RTR boat companies. That is why it was such a breath of fresh air to see AquaCraft and ProBoat bring out higher quality RTRs like the SV27 and BJ26 at first, and now the UL-1, Stilleto and Miss Geico. The consumer now has a choice between junk, okay and very good. Until the above boats were introduced they really didn't have that choice.


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[Flying Scotsman]

Tony, Jay is a treasure to the FE fratenity....does he have some Scottish blood?.

Douggie

[LarrysDrifter]

My question relates to the Topic Heading "60+ Setup" - I have a Twin Toysport Jollycat and want it to meeeeeoww on 4-5s.... any suggestions????

Start your own thread about your boat in the Q&A department on the top floor.You can always refer to that thread for answers instead of looking in a Spartan thread that might have a few of your questions answered.

[ScarabChris]

60 MPH is very fast for any V hull. I have a 54" V hull going 60 and it barely stays on the water. And its a high quality hull, and its ready to run weight is 30 pounds!

But hey, experimentation is 50% of this hobby. I say go for it. the worst case scenario is the loss of a little money.

It could always be worse. My neighbor used to have a coke and hooker addiction. It almost cost him his home, wife, kids and freedom. The family is barely scraping by.

After seeing that I feel spending (or losing) a little money on this hobby is so innocent. LOL

[ScarabChris]

Marky C, Have you seen this RC calculator page here on OSE?

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/conversion.htm

It is handy for a few things, including getting a rough estimate on top speed with a given prop and RPM.

Kevin

Those are some cool calculators. Its tough to use them with a twin setup. But I did the runtime estimator and it was pretty dead on accurate.