Being Competitive

[Darin Jordan]

Darin its hard to see otherwise, when "someone" was running around for a year telling people to either run a Neu or lose. Just teasing ya bud. Feel the love. lol

Hmmm... well... they are hard to beat... ...but I hadn't really been paying attention at the time... One could have brought a Lehner as well... :D

(and for the record... I don't ever recall having said anything like that, except maybe in jest... )

[Doozie870]

everyone

[Darin Jordan]

everyone

I hear that...

I'll buy the first round... (note: It WON'T be a GERMAN beer... for various reasons we don't need to go into here... )

[Ctonez]

...red board...GERMAN beer... )

good stuff
Darin speaks the truth...he never said "Neu is your only hope" or words to that effect...he has said "Neu may give you more hope"...or words to that effect. Why do some people still try to turn that all around?

I've been running SV27's all year in Pmono and Spec SV27. I'm now at the point where the limitations of the hull (Pmono) are limiting my competitiveness against bigger $$$ equipment, but I'm realistic about my chances against the top guys in our club whether I have the same setups or not...Race after race the better drivers put on a clinic for the rest of the club. Tight to the bouys, good starts, no mistakes...that's what wins races.

Heck, my Spec SV seems to be the quickest last few races...when I finish I nearly lap the field...but I have only finished 1 out of the last six heats I've run. racer-brain.

In Pmono I rarely challenge the big Delta Force hulls, but I get consistent finishes by simply finishing and driving cleanly.

Doozie has claimed SV's can't compete in P and whines about Neu power, but his statements only have relevance to his perspective...skewed as it may be.
If you want a Neu and think that's the only way to compete, then save some dough or buy the best gear you can afford based on your budget...and outdrive the competition.

I am the poster-boy for low$$$ racing in our club, but I have better equipment in my garage for next year...when I see a great deal I swoop on it. I got a Neu that way...Once we decide what we're running next year I'll probably sell a bunch so I can build other stuff (like Darin). If I couldn't do that, then I'd run what I've got and just plain have fun. Someday I'll be trading roostertails with the likes of Greg, Larry & Brian, but those guys are the pros from Dover and have been at this longer than most...way longer than me. Being beat by the best guys is educational and every time I race them I get closer and learn a ton more...

I'd really like you to bring your bad-boy Pmono over to the coast Doozie...it's not just Darin that'd like to beat you in a race.:D

-Corey

[C.Smock]

Corey you are all over it!!! you have to get the driving end of it down before you can complain about power.....

i guarantee you most people who complain about not being able to afford to be "competitive" cant drive "the non-competitive" set up they have....

more power typically equals more required skill to drive...

so if you can't drive a "slow" boat ( if you will) what good is a fast one going to do you???

and all the neu motors in the world wont help the "high rollers" if A. they dont know how to drive it and B. if they dont know how to set it up....

Darin... how did your DH do on 3s running with pmonos?

[Darin Jordan]

Darin... how did your DH do on 3s running with pmonos?

Fast... but can't "race" with the big boats... Just can't stick this inside of one of those big monsters, which is another reason I advocate MINIMUM hull lengths as well as Max's... Similiar sized boats race together similiarly...

But, I did get two seconds and a third... good enough for 1st overall for the day...

The strake mods make a HUGE difference, and once I started getting the CG closer (WAY different location than with the original strakes...), the handling and speed really came on...

Would be a fun setup for a "P-Mono Light" class... which is something we've talked about doing... SV-27ish sized boats (max say 29" or so...), 4S1P Limit... Maybe everything else open...

The hull restrictions will limit the power you can and need to use... Which we've shown over and over again, despite what some will try to tell you...

[C.Smock]

i know what you mean as far as hull minimum....lol

the DH made a good n2 saw mono and i could see a good n2 oval ( ill find out soon enough we are just starting to get interest in n2 mono so now we have enough to make a class...) i couldnt picture it being a good p mono with todays lipo technology...but with strake mods it seemed to do okay....once again you must know how to set up a boat to be competitive huh?.... lol

its amazing to see how the classes change around with the lipo technology. a once p mono with nimh's is now an n2 set up. or how with nimh's a titan 29 could be ran in Q... but try that on 6s....

we have thrown around a "stock" p mono class for a while ... it seems similar to what you were discussing...it worked but people lost interest... now we just have p mono....

[hookedup]

...If I was starting the hobby today I would look into.......
First a used supervee. Unfortunately boats are not for everyone and there are alot of these around. The supervee will get you a ok hull with ok hardware. This hardware and hull will allow you to compete in several classes and have fun and hang in the front of the pack if your driving is good enough.

thansk Steve, for better stating my toughts.:D

[Doozie870]

Sounds like you guys have it all figured out.
For the record I know what was typed on rum and what Stevens response was to it, also I run a LSO abs mono, i.e. factory sealed 700 power on 12 cells, never had a p class boat. I have however raced against (in fact its a class here) "stock powered" propped up sv27s with lso, and in one mile trim its anyones race, if anything the lso mono may have a slight advantage, in particular when it gets choppy say lap 6 and on. So whatever floats your boat. peace

[Doug Smock]

Just copying the mail.:bored:

[Doozie870]

Last post on this, driving is no doubt a huge portion, but having a few mph faster boat is just as big. I mainly run in limited power classes, and believe me every scrap of a mph that you can gain will pay off.

[Rex R]

simple solution, longer races. for a challenge try building an offshore boat, go fast for 4 minutes and see how many laps you turn.

[raptor347]

Ultimately it doesn't matter what the rules and class structures are, 3.5 things are needed to consistantly place well:

1. Setup-it should be as good as it can be, period. Keep at it until it does exactly what you want it to all the time.

2. Be able to drive the race, not the boat. The boat should be a known quantity (see 1 above). The tough part is developing awareness of what's going on half a lap or more ahead of you. Have you noticed that it's always the same people that hit dead boats while others can slalom their way through traffic (moving and not). I came from 180-200mph pylon racers so this was beaten into me before I got here (midairs suck big time, $1500 airplane with nothing salvagable).

3. Learn the black art of propellors!!! I asked a very tallented full size racer what the difference was between a good and a great prop. Answer: all else being equal, first or last. Learn to prep and modify them yourself, that way you always havethe little extra that can't be bought.

3.5. Just a little luck, water is amazingly unforgiving and everyone flyies one off occasionally.

I don't spend any more on a boat than the next guy, probably less because I build most of my own hulls and do my own prop work. I have a lot of money in the whole collection because I have a big fleet. Just .02 from one of the deep pocket guys who's ruining the hobby.

[Doug Smock]

Ultimately it doesn't matter what the rules and class structures are, 3.5 things are needed to consistantly place well:

1. Setup-it should be as good as it can be, period. Keep at it until it does exactly what you want it to all the time.

2. Be able to drive the race, not the boat. The boat should be a known quantity (see 1 above). The tough part is developing awareness of what's going on half a lap or more ahead of you. Have you noticed that it's always the same people that hit dead boats while others can slalom their way through traffic (moving and not). I came from 180-200mph pylon racers so this was beaten into me before I got here (midairs suck big time, $1500 airplane with nothing salvagable).

3. Learn the black art of propellors!!! I asked a very tallented full size racer what the difference was between a good and a great prop. Answer: all else being equal, first or last. Learn to prep and modify them yourself, that way you always havethe little extra that can't be bought.

3.5. Just a little luck, water is amazingly unforgiving and everyone flyies one off occasionally.

I don't spend any more on a boat than the next guy, probably less because I build most of my own hulls and do my own prop work. I have a lot of money in the whole collection because I have a big fleet. Just .02 from one of the deep pocket guys who's ruining the hobby.

Well said. Oh, have I thanked you lately for ruining the hobby?? We are having a blast since FE has gone to hell in a handbasket!

Doug :)

[Steven Vaccaro]

Good stuff Brian!

Just .02 from one of the deep pocket guys who's ruining the hobby.

As much as think spending $400 on a motor is over the top, its nothing new. As Brian knows brushed Plet motors 5-10 years ago where up in that range for less performance.

That's my .01 cents, I'm not willing to give .02