Differences between high end ESC's and cheap ones for Lehner motors?

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  • TRUCKPULL
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 2971

    #61
    I use 10 - Ohm. 2-Watt for a 6S anti-spark

    Larry
    Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
    Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
    Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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    • dmitry100
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Mar 2015
      • 1264

      #62
      ah ok, darn it. didn't think high ohm count mattered to the esc. I couldn't seem to find any in the 1-20 ohm range on ebay at all.

      well, good thing i checked first before trying it :-X

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      • dmitry100
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Mar 2015
        • 1264

        #63
        Is the BEC in the castle worth using at all for the receiver? I was thinking to just use a LiFe instead, as I would imagine it would cause it to create more heat like all other ESC's.

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        • TRUCKPULL
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Apr 2007
          • 2971

          #64
          I have found that the radio board that has the BEC in it, runs about 20 degrees cooler when the BEC is disconnected.
          I use these instead of a battery pack in all my boats to power the receiver.


          Larry
          Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
          Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
          Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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          • RaceMechaniX
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Sep 2007
            • 2821

            #65
            If you are using a relatively small servo that is not needing to work hard you can stick with the onboard BEC. However, I do recommend using an external receiver pack for anything with a 150oz+ servo. The BEC does have to work hard and this is a common failure seen on the control boards.
            Tyler Garrard
            NAMBA 639/IMPBA 20525
            T-Hydro @ 142.94mph former WR

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            • dmitry100
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Mar 2015
              • 1264

              #66
              Tyler, is it possible to have flex cable that is a bit way too flexible?

              This black cable (got it from keith - but it appears to be Octura cable like from OSE) rattles way too much even when I apply a bit of load on the shaft.
              The other gold cable runs fine, even when running on the other side...
              I haven't put it on the water yet... didn't want this flex blowing up.

              Perhaps the cable is too long for the amount of support I have in there?

              The teflon tube I'm using has an ID of 5.5mm, decided to use it instead of the other thicker 5mm ID teflon I have... figured it'd run better with teflon that isn't too tight.

              Should I use a different cable or will it be fine with some real load?

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              Last edited by dmitry100; 04-18-2018, 12:37 PM.

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              • RaceMechaniX
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Sep 2007
                • 2821

                #67
                I have some flex cables that also whip on the bench without load, but work fine in boats when load is applied. I am surprised you have that much whip with such short shafts. Looks like you have enough support and no big gap between the stuffing tube and collet. You are correct that the Teflon liner does need some clearance, but there is such a thing as too much clearance.

                If I had the option of running one cable that whips on the bench versus one that does not, I would go with the latter. I would normally say try both cables, but it looks like you built this boat for SAW runs and if running high RPM cable whip will destroy the drive line and potentially the motors.

                -Tyler
                Tyler Garrard
                NAMBA 639/IMPBA 20525
                T-Hydro @ 142.94mph former WR

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                • dmitry100
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 1264

                  #68
                  ID of 5.5mm for teflon with 3/16 flex is usually OK for SAW though right
                  Last edited by dmitry100; 04-18-2018, 05:42 PM.

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                  • dmitry100
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 1264

                    #69
                    Do LMT motors not like a decent 5mm+ gap between the drives and drive dog?

                    There was something I read about how it is a big no no with LMT in particular... Is that true? Or did I misread that

                    Something about it ruining the bearings or motor shafts

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                    • kfxguy
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 8746

                      #70
                      Originally posted by dmitry100
                      Do LMT motors not like a decent 5mm+ gap between the drives and drive dog?

                      There was something I read about how it is a big no no with LMT in particular... Is that true? Or did I misread that

                      Something about it ruining the bearings or motor shafts
                      I’ve never read that but it makes sense because every Lehner motor I’ve used it put in a customers boat with a single has had the shaft slip in it. I guess they need a thrust bearing? I dunno? I don’t spend that kind of money on failing equipment anymore.
                      32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                      • StevenBryant
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 359

                        #71
                        Originally posted by kfxguy
                        I’ve never read that but it makes sense because every Lehner motor I’ve used it put in a customers boat with a single has had the shaft slip in it. I guess they need a thrust bearing? I dunno? I don’t spend that kind of money on failing equipment anymore.
                        I run thrust bearings on all my Lehner motors to stop the shaft slippage, not that I have ever suffered from it.


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                        • srislash
                          Not there yet
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 7673

                          #72
                          Ok, how is one to keep a thrust bearing alive at 45,000 rpm? any I have run over 30k have been smokin’ after a run. Can’t keep oil or grease on them.

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                          • TRUCKPULL
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 2971

                            #73
                            I use Air Tool Oil on mine.

                            Larry
                            Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
                            Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
                            Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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                            • srislash
                              Not there yet
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 7673

                              #74
                              Originally posted by TRUCKPULL
                              I use Air Tool Oil on mine.

                              Larry
                              This holds up Larry? I’m just about to mainden AWB and could install some thrust bearings I guess. Anybody know where to get 8mm ID ones?

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                              • dmitry100
                                Fast Electric Addict!
                                • Mar 2015
                                • 1264

                                #75
                                Any thrust bearing I've seen so far has a maximum RPM rating of 20k

                                It would be a strange thing to need seeing how expensive these LMT motors are... Never thought it to be such a common issue.

                                I'll post in a German forum about this and see what they are doing about this... so far I have never seen thrust bearings on any boats running LMT so far

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